Vulpera Discussion Megathread (Part 1)

07/19/2018 02:46 PMPosted by Fallynn
07/19/2018 01:57 PMPosted by Gabean
I have never played a short race but I be tempted to try Vulpera after helping them on beta.

I have a gobby and she's a lot of fun. I'll be adding Vulpera to my list of course. Probably a rogue like everyone else... If I don't get my druid. (which I won't most likely. But still! A girl can hope.)


She gets it! Lol I couldn't resist. Please give us druid Vulpera. *Adorable cuteface pleading eyes*
The lack of interview news was disappointing but it seems the they didn't want to talk about allied races at all, so neither good or bad news.
07/19/2018 08:14 PMPosted by Eevee
The lack of interview news was disappointing but it seems the they didn't want to talk about allied races at all, so neither good or bad news.


It’s a bit unfortunate, but considering other races being denied in past Q&A’s, I’d say no news is good news.
07/19/2018 08:20 PMPosted by Lueran
07/19/2018 08:14 PMPosted by Eevee
The lack of interview news was disappointing but it seems the they didn't want to talk about allied races at all, so neither good or bad news.


It’s a bit unfortunate, but considering other races being denied in past Q&A’s, I’d say no news is good news.

^This entirely. Every time ARs are brought up, we're given bad news. Which is why I think no news IS way better than something negative, you know? I know being thrown a hint or something would be rad. But you know how they are, they'll think we'll take some sort of hint way too far. The Blood Trolls thing however was shut down RIGHT AWAY whereas hints on Vulpera being playable via models have not actually been shot down at all. Nor have other hyped ARs right now. So... who knows!
I guess that's one way to interpret it as good news. I was just hoping we might have gotten some lore tidbits on the vulpera even without confirmation as playable. Some more lore might help the class speculation a bit
Okay, so I promised I would present a Loa based theory for the origin of the Vulpera, so here I go:

The War of the ancients briefly mentions a wild god described as a "tiny red fox with a sly yet gnomish visage". Those of you with keen observational skills may notice a passing resemblance to our favorite desert dwelling race. With the Zandalar to feature heavily in this expansion, it stands to reason the Loa, and by extension the subgroup of Loa called wild gods will likely be featured as well.

The Vulpera would certainly not be the first race created by a god-like being in that God's image. However, no Vulpera we have come across in beta has mentioned following any deity at all. A casual glance at their society would seem to confirm that they do not enjoy the protection of any higher power. So if they are the children of a wild god, what has happened to their creator?

We know that unscrupulous actors have attempted to subjugate Loa to gain power before, it is a key plot point in Northrend. If our fox deity were imprisoned somewhere it would explain her absence, and knowledge of her existence by the Vulpera could be lost to time. But who would be doing such a thing?

I see two possibilities.

Trolls are the first ones that come to mind. This is right up their alley and could help the Vulpera play into the Nazmir storyline.

However, I feel there is a far more likely possibility in the Faithless Sethrak.

If the sethrak wanted to make slaves of a population, it would make perfect sense to subjugate their god. The demoralizing effect would be catastrophic. This could also play into causing the Vulpera and nice Sethrak to pick sides. At the end of the Vol'dun storyline the two groups are getting along fairly well. The perfect thing to shatter that fragile trust would be the Vulpera learning the nice Sethrak knew the whole time that the faithless were holding their god hostage and never said anything. (Or even better, allowed it to happen before breaking ranks with the Faithless over other issues)

So what would this mean for their lore?

If restoring the vulpera wild god is part of their introduction Questline to joining the horde, it may give Vulpera the kickstart they need to once again practice magic. This could mean we see Vulpera priests or even (dare I say it) Vulpera druids.

It would also give the Vulpera a strong reason to ally with any faction that helps them achieve this and despise any faction willing to harbour those meanie scale butts.

Do I think it will happen? I think it has potential but I'm still not putting money on Vulpera druids
07/19/2018 08:14 PMPosted by Eevee
The lack of interview news was disappointing but it seems the they didn't want to talk about allied races at all, so neither good or bad news.


Honestly didn’t really feel like they talked much about BFA at all. It seemed focused mostly on 8.0 stuff and bugs from the squish.
07/20/2018 04:19 AMPosted by Felvixen
07/19/2018 08:14 PMPosted by Eevee
The lack of interview news was disappointing but it seems the they didn't want to talk about allied races at all, so neither good or bad news.


Honestly didn’t really feel like they talked much about BFA at all. It seemed focused mostly on 8.0 stuff and bugs from the squish.


Same it was on an hour on why there was a squish.....

Well that's not hard to understand critting for:
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Is hard to read on your screen. Hope they have more diverse topics in the future or just announce a topic for the q&a, so I know if it's worth my time to watch.
07/20/2018 01:20 AMPosted by Eevee
Okay, so I promised I would present a Loa based theory for the origin of the Vulpera, so here I go:

The War of the ancients briefly mentions a wild god described as a "tiny red fox with a sly yet gnomish visage". Those of you with keen observational skills may notice a passing resemblance to our favorite desert dwelling race. With the Zandalar to feature heavily in this expansion, it stands to reason the Loa, and by extension the subgroup of Loa called wild gods will likely be featured as well.

The Vulpera would certainly not be the first race created by a god-like being in that God's image. However, no Vulpera we have come across in beta has mentioned following any deity at all. A casual glance at their society would seem to confirm that they do not enjoy the protection of any higher power. So if they are the children of a wild god, what has happened to their creator?

We know that unscrupulous actors have attempted to subjugate Loa to gain power before, it is a key plot point in Northrend. If our fox deity were imprisoned somewhere it would explain her absence, and knowledge of her existence by the Vulpera could be lost to time. But who would be doing such a thing?

I see two possibilities.

Trolls are the first ones that come to mind. This is right up their alley and could help the Vulpera play into the Nazmir storyline.

However, I feel there is a far more likely possibility in the Faithless Sethrak.

If the sethrak wanted to make slaves of a population, it would make perfect sense to subjugate their god. The demoralizing effect would be catastrophic. This could also play into causing the Vulpera and nice Sethrak to pick sides. At the end of the Vol'dun storyline the two groups are getting along fairly well. The perfect thing to shatter that fragile trust would be the Vulpera learning the nice Sethrak knew the whole time that the faithless were holding their god hostage and never said anything. (Or even better, allowed it to happen before breaking ranks with the Faithless over other issues)

So what would this mean for their lore?

If restoring the vulpera wild god is part of their introduction Questlove to joining the horde, it may give Vulpera the kickstart they need to once again practice magic. This could mean we see Vulpera priests or even (dare I say it) Vulpera druids.

It would also give the Vulpera a strong reason to ally with any faction that helps them achieve this and despise any faction willing to harbour those meanie scale butts.

Do I think it will happen? I think it has potential but I'm still not putting money on Vulpera druids

It's certainly a very grounded theory, the questing experience for Horde players in the zone however does conclude with both the Sethrak and Vulpera more or less proclaiming allegiance to the Zandalari, (not the Horde mind you, the two haven't even established an alliance yet) so I'd imagine that once the Vulpera hear of the friendly sethraks' (devoted) plan to reunite with the Faithless and that they allowed the capture of their wild god, we might end up witnessing one of the "twists and turns" in BfA's story.

I'd imagine that when it comes to that the Zandalari or Sylvanas will essentially be forced to pick between the two unless the Vulpera become divided on the issue.
As an addendum to the imprisoned wild god conjecture, the friendly sethrak may not be quite as friendly as they seem.

The friendly sethrak opposing the faithless have been respectful and trustworthy to their Vulpera allies in the Vol'dun storyline, but they have not shown any regret or remorse for the situation the vulpera were forced into.

It is implied the Vulpera have been slaves a long time. There are no permanent Vulpera settlements or architecture to be found meaning that that they were entirely nomadic before their enslavement or more likely, their settlements were overtaken by sethrak so long ago there are no traces left to be found.

This whole faithless power grab thing that the nice Sethrak disagree with appears to be a very recent thing, happening only in the last generation.

Presumably, if the Vulpera were slaves longer than one generation, as all evidence suggests, then these friendly sethrak were at very least complicit with their situation at some point.
07/20/2018 04:59 AMPosted by Cersyl
07/20/2018 01:20 AMPosted by Eevee
Okay, so I promised I would present a Loa based theory for the origin of the Vulpera, so here I go:

The War of the ancients briefly mentions a wild god described as a "tiny red fox with a sly yet gnomish visage". Those of you with keen observational skills may notice a passing resemblance to our favorite desert dwelling race. With the Zandalar to feature heavily in this expansion, it stands to reason the Loa, and by extension the subgroup of Loa called wild gods will likely be featured as well.

The Vulpera would certainly not be the first race created by a god-like being in that God's image. However, no Vulpera we have come across in beta has mentioned following any deity at all. A casual glance at their society would seem to confirm that they do not enjoy the protection of any higher power. So if they are the children of a wild god, what has happened to their creator?

We know that unscrupulous actors have attempted to subjugate Loa to gain power before, it is a key plot point in Northrend. If our fox deity were imprisoned somewhere it would explain her absence, and knowledge of her existence by the Vulpera could be lost to time. But who would be doing such a thing?

I see two possibilities.

Trolls are the first ones that come to mind. This is right up their alley and could help the Vulpera play into the Nazmir storyline.

However, I feel there is a far more likely possibility in the Faithless Sethrak.

If the sethrak wanted to make slaves of a population, it would make perfect sense to subjugate their god. The demoralizing effect would be catastrophic. This could also play into causing the Vulpera and nice Sethrak to pick sides. At the end of the Vol'dun storyline the two groups are getting along fairly well. The perfect thing to shatter that fragile trust would be the Vulpera learning the nice Sethrak knew the whole time that the faithless were holding their god hostage and never said anything. (Or even better, allowed it to happen before breaking ranks with the Faithless over other issues)

So what would this mean for their lore?

If restoring the vulpera wild god is part of their introduction Questlove to joining the horde, it may give Vulpera the kickstart they need to once again practice magic. This could mean we see Vulpera priests or even (dare I say it) Vulpera druids.

It would also give the Vulpera a strong reason to ally with any faction that helps them achieve this and despise any faction willing to harbour those meanie scale butts.

Do I think it will happen? I think it has potential but I'm still not putting money on Vulpera druids

It's certainly a very grounded theory, the questing experience for Horde players in the zone however does conclude with both the Sethrak and Vulpera more or less proclaiming allegiance to the Zandalari, (not the Horde mind you, the two haven't even established an alliance yet) so I'd imagine that once the Vulpera hear of the friendly sethraks' (devoted) plan to reunite with the Faithless and that they allowed the capture of their wild god, we might end up witnessing one of the "twists and turns" in BfA's story.

I'd imagine that when it comes to that the Zandalari or Sylvanas will essentially be forced to pick between the two unless the Vulpera become divided on the issue.


I absolutely know who is going to break this alliance too (regardless of whether this theory about a wild god is true)

Nisha.

Nisha is absolutely bloodthirsty, it's been implied she kills Sethrak in part for fun. I mean, she even wears one of their skulls as a helmet:

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/739782.jpg

If anybody is going to sabotage an alliance with the noodles, it's her. I would fully expect her to make some kind of attack that destroys the trust of the Sethrak.
07/20/2018 05:31 AMPosted by Eevee
07/20/2018 04:59 AMPosted by Cersyl
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It's certainly a very grounded theory, the questing experience for Horde players in the zone however does conclude with both the Sethrak and Vulpera more or less proclaiming allegiance to the Zandalari, (not the Horde mind you, the two haven't even established an alliance yet) so I'd imagine that once the Vulpera hear of the friendly sethraks' (devoted) plan to reunite with the Faithless and that they allowed the capture of their wild god, we might end up witnessing one of the "twists and turns" in BfA's story.

I'd imagine that when it comes to that the Zandalari or Sylvanas will essentially be forced to pick between the two unless the Vulpera become divided on the issue.


I absolutely know who is going to break this alliance too (regardless of whether this theory about a wild god is true)

Nisha.

Nisha is absolutely bloodthirsty, it's been implied she kills Sethrak in part for fun. I mean, she even wears one of their skulls as a helmet:

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/739782.jpg

If anybody is going to sabotage an alliance with the noodles, it's her. I would fully expect her to make some kind of attack that destroys the trust of the Sethrak.

Would be amusing if Kiro, being the collected and pacifistic type of the two, were to accept having to pardon the sethraks' previous wrongdoings if the Zandalari/Sylvanas chose them over the Vulpera. Nisha on the other hand would probably not be having any of it, thus leading the other dissatisfied half of their race away from the table, presumably stumbling upon the Alliance down the road.

Given how the devs have said they want to balance out the faction traits, it would be quite fitting to have a ferocious personality such as Nisha's introduced into the Alliance's fold. Them going neutral would also explain the complete lack of an equivalent when their player-grade models were originally introduced, seeing as how that wasn't the case with Dark Irons/Mag'har and Kul Tirans/Zandalari.
07/20/2018 01:20 AMPosted by Eevee
Okay, so I promised I would present a Loa based theory for the origin of the Vulpera, so here I go:

The War of the ancients briefly mentions a wild god described as a "tiny red fox with a sly yet gnomish visage". Those of you with keen observational skills may notice a passing resemblance to our favorite desert dwelling race. With the Zandalar to feature heavily in this expansion, it stands to reason the Loa, and by extension the subgroup of Loa called wild gods will likely be featured as well.

The Vulpera would certainly not be the first race created by a god-like being in that God's image. However, no Vulpera we have come across in beta has mentioned following any deity at all. A casual glance at their society would seem to confirm that they do not enjoy the protection of any higher power. So if they are the children of a wild god, what has happened to their creator?

We know that unscrupulous actors have attempted to subjugate Loa to gain power before, it is a key plot point in Northrend. If our fox deity were imprisoned somewhere it would explain her absence, and knowledge of her existence by the Vulpera could be lost to time. But who would be doing such a thing?

I see two possibilities.

Trolls are the first ones that come to mind. This is right up their alley and could help the Vulpera play into the Nazmir storyline.

However, I feel there is a far more likely possibility in the Faithless Sethrak.

If the sethrak wanted to make slaves of a population, it would make perfect sense to subjugate their god. The demoralizing effect would be catastrophic. This could also play into causing the Vulpera and nice Sethrak to pick sides. At the end of the Vol'dun storyline the two groups are getting along fairly well. The perfect thing to shatter that fragile trust would be the Vulpera learning the nice Sethrak knew the whole time that the faithless were holding their god hostage and never said anything. (Or even better, allowed it to happen before breaking ranks with the Faithless over other issues)

So what would this mean for their lore?

If restoring the vulpera wild god is part of their introduction Questlove to joining the horde, it may give Vulpera the kickstart they need to once again practice magic. This could mean we see Vulpera priests or even (dare I say it) Vulpera druids.

It would also give the Vulpera a strong reason to ally with any faction that helps them achieve this and despise any faction willing to harbour those meanie scale butts.

Do I think it will happen? I think it has potential but I'm still not putting money on Vulpera druids


This makes the most sense of any lore theory so far
07/20/2018 06:45 AMPosted by Cersyl
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I absolutely know who is going to break this alliance too (regardless of whether this theory about a wild god is true)

Nisha.

Nisha is absolutely bloodthirsty, it's been implied she kills Sethrak in part for fun. I mean, she even wears one of their skulls as a helmet:

http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/739782.jpg

If anybody is going to sabotage an alliance with the noodles, it's her. I would fully expect her to make some kind of attack that destroys the trust of the Sethrak.

Would be amusing if Kiro, being the collected and pacifistic type of the two, were to accept having to pardon the sethraks' previous wrongdoings if the Zandalari/Sylvanas chose them over the Vulpera. Nisha on the other hand would probably not be having any of it, thus leading the other dissatisfied half of their race away from the table, presumably stumbling upon the Alliance down the road.

Given how the devs have said they want to balance out the faction traits, it would be quite fitting to have a ferocious personality such as Nisha's introduced into the Alliance's fold. Them going neutral would also explain the complete lack of an equivalent when their player-grade models were originally introduced, seeing as how that wasn't the case with Dark Irons/Mag'har and Kul Tirans/Zandalari.


It's true that no race is nearly as far along as the Vulpera in terms of getting ready for the character selection screen (Even arguably among some of the ones actually confirmed) but while the Sethrak model has a long way to go, every patch brings some new small detail to their model that pushes them a little farther from "Generic NPC".

I now feel confident in saying that they are planned as an allied race for some faction at some point. I think they would make a good pair to go along with the vulpera, and I think there's still time to finish their models before they hit the character screen. But Blizzard has been frustratingly opaque on any allied races past Zandalari and Kul'tirans so really anything could happen.

Nisha and Kiro having a serious disagreement over a sethrak allegiance is absolutely the best narrative I've yet heard to have the Vulpera go neutral, but given the story of the expansion is focused on the faction war and picking sides, I don't think any neutral race fits that theme very well.

That said, I really would love it if everybody could have a vulpera.
Can we just get them for everyone?

Foxes for all?

Tear down the faction wall! Bring down the establishment!

Seize the means of production! - Wait. Not that one.

Mister Hazzikostas, bring down that wall!
I'm genuinely torn between my instinct that neutral races are a bad idea (Yes, I'm aware of the irony) and my desire for everybody to have a fox.

I think if I were to pick the responsible thing though it would have to be deciding neutral races are a bad idea.
07/20/2018 07:34 AMPosted by Eevee
I'm genuinely torn between my instinct that neutral races are a bad idea (Yes, I'm aware of the irony) and my desire for everybody to have a fox.

I think if I were to pick the responsible thing though it would have to be deciding neutral races are a bad idea.

are you going to race change to our new furry overlords?
07/20/2018 07:51 AMPosted by Katsumiy
07/20/2018 07:34 AMPosted by Eevee
I'm genuinely torn between my instinct that neutral races are a bad idea (Yes, I'm aware of the irony) and my desire for everybody to have a fox.

I think if I were to pick the responsible thing though it would have to be deciding neutral races are a bad idea.

are you going to race change to our new furry overlords?


My secret goal is to get blizzard so sick of hearing from me that they force a race change for me on patch day just to shut me up.

But in all seriousness, yes. It's just a matter of whether I want to race change first or level an alt for that heritage armor and bragging rights.
07/20/2018 07:53 AMPosted by Eevee
07/20/2018 07:51 AMPosted by Katsumiy
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are you going to race change to our new furry overlords?


My secret goal is to get blizzard so sick of hearing from me that they force a race change for me on patch day just to shut me up.

But in all seriousness, yes. It's just a matter of whether I want to race change first or level an alt for that heritage armor and bragging rights.


with all the nerfs made to level I feel like getting an allied race to max should award a feat of strenght...
07/20/2018 08:01 AMPosted by Katsumiy
07/20/2018 07:53 AMPosted by Eevee
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My secret goal is to get blizzard so sick of hearing from me that they force a race change for me on patch day just to shut me up.

But in all seriousness, yes. It's just a matter of whether I want to race change first or level an alt for that heritage armor and bragging rights.


with all the nerfs made to level I feel like getting an allied race to max should award a feat of strenght...


I did it once for a nightborne. I honestly can't remember why because I don't really want to play a nightborne. I use it when I want to joke on the forums about being taken more seriously as an elf than a panda, and it looks legit because she's 110. That's about it.