I asked a simple question and get lambasted. Nice.
I wouldn’t take that banner too seriously. Theres nothing else to give, race wise, this expansion.
This will always be the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. 
My guild was looking for any reason to transfer to Horde. We wanted a more populous raiding community, more recruits, more people pushing Keystones at all hours of the day.
But this set of Allied races is what finally did it. They amount of effort here is clear, Vulpera received so much animation love and effort, meanwhile the Mechagnomes didn’t even get two different dances.
The Horde got possibly the most requested race of all time when they got the Vulpera, and I remember people actively begging blizzard NOT to add the Mechagnomes. But here we are.
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ZT (males) and NB both are based on the NE rig. The male troll rig has not been used. Also the human rig has not been used.
Agreed. Those Vulpera would not, and should not, consider an alliance with the…er…Alliance.
However…what if they weren’t the only vulps on Azeroth? Is Vol’dun the only place they exist? Would it be such a lore inconsistency to introduce an outcast tribe, that happens to be unfriendly with the Vulpera we already know of? Especially given how newly established the lore concerning them is.
Sure, it’s a bit of a reach…but are they that much more so than Void Elves, Night Elves, Gilgoblins, Taunka/Highmountain Tauren, and all the other variations of the races we already play? The current Vulpera seem to mostly resemble Fennec foxes…but there are better than a half-dozen subspecies, if visual variety is needed.
They won’t do this, of course. Blizzard has decided that the ‘neutral race’ idea (Pandarens) turned out to be a bad one, and have stated they won’t try it again.
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When did Blizz ever promote that allied races were always going to be reskins of existing races? Was kul tiran a reskin?
Allied races are just that. Allied races.
I specifically said that there is no one left for them to throw in with a group they’ve never met, and also hate. Do you really think the Faithless are going to ally with the Alliance after they were hostile to them all expansion long, or do you think that it might be more likely that Horde would get an Allied Race that they’re actually allied with?
The game itself? The one where I spend a Zone and an Instance killing all of their leaders and named NPCs.
It’s not about them all being dead, it’s about it making absolutely no sense. You’re trying to contrive a situation where a zealously hostile faction with no known leaders, decimated numbers, and no affiliated reputation is going to enter into concord with an enemy that they barely even know and have been murdering all expansion long just because a the Horde got Vulpera.
Not to mention that once Alliance actually got the Faithless, they would be required to go into Vul’dun and murder their allies and each other in the name of fighting against the Horde.
That’s a lot of plot gymnastics, even for Blizzard’s writing staff. Especially since they could just be tossed onto Horde without doing any contrived nonsense and they’d have an actual relationship, and a racial leader, and their patron Loa, and a reason to actually want to join.
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Shoot, you know what, I hate to admit it but you have me there. I forgot they ditched editing a Troll model for Zandalari. That’s on me, that’s my bad and a very valid point.
Its entirely possible. Their first time being mentioned was in War of the Ancients though not by name, so clearly they are a very old race and much like the Tauren there could be different Vulpera in different places because of the sundering.
So yeah, you are right, that could be a thing some day.
Again, no proof that there are none left.
Again, that is not proof. Nowhere in the game has it stated that every single member of the Faithless has been dealt with. You have still yet to give the burden of proof on this.
From a lore stand point that is not the case at all. The Horde are the ones who dealt with the Faithless lore wise. Its like when you read the Warcraft Chronicles, they make it very clear which faction dealt with which threads in terms of Ragnaros, Nef, Onyxia, ect.
The situation with the faithless was handled, lore wise, from the Horde standpoint and none of the Alliance side quests or lore cover that BUT from a gameplay standpoint they HAVE to allow the Alliance to do the instances and access those zones.
The Alliance have done nothing, canonically, against the Faithless.
There is a big distinction between the Horde’s interactions with the Vulpra and the splinter group of non-faithless Sethrak.
I will say though, if its not the faithless who you still have not proven your point that none of them exist anymore, then yes. If it was the other Sethrak, you are correct in saying they would have more of a reason to join the Horde.
However, I am speaking of the Faithless here so that is an entirely moot point.
Are you even listening to yourself now? Your entire counter point was “They don’t exist anymore” and now you are shifting to “Oh, er, well, that wasn’t the point!”
You want to talk about “contriving” a situation, this whole statement here is literally doing that.
Its a “zealously hostile faction” that just got its butt kicked HARD by a race they have been in conflict with for a very long time, a race who brought in allies to aid them and are now among their ranks.
Its freaking basic military tactics to evaluate what has just happened and adapt, find allies, and such.
As I already stated, from a lore stand point the Alliance has done nothing against the Faithless canonically. It would be pretty freaking obvious, since the incursions, to watch and see “Oh! Look! These new people are coming to these shores and burning our enemies wagons and killing them! Perhaps its a good idea to pursue an alliance with these people and use them to re-establish our dominance and get back what we lost!”
Like, its freaking strategy 101 here. Again, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”
I disagree, the only one going through contrived gymnastics here is you.
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They are cringier than Pandas and Belves combined
Worgen are killing machines with claws, fangs, and red eyes, not walking mockery targets for comic relief lol
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And? There’s zero proof that there is any left. I don’t know why you think a lack of proof is a foundantion that there’s some as-unyet-seen leader is going to be created just to throw them onto the Alliance.
That’s not how burden of proof works. We have evidence that there are no remaining leader specifically because we kill all of them. From there you’re supposed to prove that there are some left, somewhere, but there isn’t, so you can’t. Which is why you keep deflecting to this nonsense statement.
I’m guessing that you either don’t play both sides or didn’t pay attention. Alliance kills them while establishing their foothold in Vul’dun. The very quest spells out for you, the player, that these “Snake people” are exceptionally aggressive and cannot be negotiated with, and that there’s little choice but eliminate them all.
I said there’s no leaders. Not that the entire faction doesn’t exist. If you’re going to argue, at least pay attention.
Please explain where the Alliance’s rep grind is for the Faithless.
Please explain who will lead them into joining the Alliance.
Please explain why a zealous group that’s mission statement is to “conquer the entire world” and cover it in endless dunes would want to join a nation of do-gooders.
Please explain how they would even open discussion to do this after they’ve been hostile to literally everyone, in-canon and in-game, despite what you’re saying, as their defining faction characteristic.
Please explain why the Alliance would want the group that helped field Old God-aligned minions among their ranks.
Please explain why the Alliance would want the remnants of a warmongering foreign nation that seeks to overtake the world, within their ranks.
Please explain why Faithless would openly kill other Faithless in the name of the Alliance.
Also, please explain how none of this is mental gymnastics, but my basic points are. Thanks.
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Sethrak would have been better. Two cool races, one for each faction (not that Horde needs more people). I’ve never been a fan of gnomes (their voices annoy me), so robot ones is so ehhhh… Anything would have been more interesting than what the Alliance is getting.
I haven’t done Nazjatar for Alliance. What race do they have for allies?
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I really thought that they were going to be the new Pandaren neutral race. When ally is attacking Vol’dun during pvp events, you have world quests to help the Vulpera out. Besides that, that’s all I got lol. But I do think it would have made sense, and no one would be so angry about mechagnomes (which I think is unnecessary - they look fine).
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It would have had they kept the racials from being nerfed.
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Dude, the Alliance barely interacted with the Sethrak in general. With the Faithless? Their ONLY limited interactions with them has been to kill them. They are not chummy. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Most of the time they’re just another enemy. You can hate two groups.
MVP or not, you clearly play Horde almost exclusively, few who play Alliance most of the time would suggest Sethrak. Fewer still would remember who the Faithless are beyond “the snakes we kill.”
If I hadn’t used my Shadowlands token do Volduun to unlock Vulpera I still wouldn’t know a dang thing about them.
Please come up with a better suggestion. The best one I’ve seen so far is Kaldorei Worgen.
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Something like “GET OUT THE THE FIRE, YOU STUPID!”
Yep, you got me there. Only Horde. Never played through the Alliance side, let alone multiple times.
No sir. Not I, can’t stand those Blue guys over there.
PS: Robotnick is going to be my Mechagnome 
I made my statements and I stand with them. Call it “Folding” or “Giving up” Or “Backing down” or whatever, but I really have nothing left to state at this point and anything more would just be looping the same arguments over and over.
Honestly, we will see what becomes what whenever those last two slots are announced. So, ya know what, lets just say you guys win.
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I distinctly remember them saying they were not going to do another neutral race, something about not liking how they worked out.
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I am pretty sure that was debunked at Blizzcon, don’t quote me on that. I would have to look through the footage again but I think one of the dev Q&A’s or something touched on that. But take that with a grain of salt until I can find a source of course because on this matter it could just be me miss-remembering something.
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About as much sense as with so much diversity of body types in Kul’Tiras that only the fat ones join the Alliance.
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The thing I’m thinking about predates blizzcon. It’s a number of years old by now.
Every time someone suggests a new neutral race, it comes up again.
Might have just been one specific dev not liking it, but someone didn’t like it so they said they wren’t going to. Maybe that guy’s gone? idk.
What’s the TLDR of this? What’s the purpose of this thread? To point out that Blizz made a good race? To point out the inevitability of others monetizing off of Blizzard’s success? Welcome to the internet, you must be new.