It really doesn’t feel good using voidweaver as shadow.
Having to channel void torrent to proc entropic rift sucks.
Having to break Voidtorrent early sucks.
Entropic rift doesn’t last long at all in PVP setting. You can hardly use voidblast cuze of it, what a shame.
it just doesn’t feel good.
I ain’t even going to bother with archon…
You shouldn’t be canceling Void Torrent. Entropic Rift’s duration go back to full duration after Void Torrent ends which means you can (and should) full channel without losing value.
well this is pvp combat. Its out of my control…
Which why it sucks. Overall it just feels clunky in PVP as a class that gets treated as a rag doll.
Some fights I don’t get to do anything.
somefights I get one void blast.
others I can get two.
Its just meh.
Wrong spell for this.
Not enough time in the window opener.
Until blizzard reworks our class completely, pvp will remain mostly unplayable for shadow priests. Figthing two melee classes at once means virtualy no casting shadow spells at all.
Maybe they could make void torrent uninteruptable, at least we could get some damage off before getting locked out of casting shadow spells and just standing there trying to heal and shield until we get to cast out next interrupted shadow spells.
They need to fix casting overall.
If they are gonna give so much cc, then just make casting intant cast or uninteruptable.
They add kits like these without considering all aspects of their game
I do agree that shadow needs more insta cast in pvp. Void eruption should be insta baseline in my opinion and also void torrent should be uninterruptable since it’s a long channel that doesn’t get shorter with haste and unlike regurar casts, if you get interrupted, you loose your best cooldown, you don’t get to try again.
However, if they remove interrupts entirely, melee classes would suffer too much and healers would be very hard to kill.
i think there is a way around this.
Right now, Melee has almost 100 percent uptime with massive cc control and anti cc break.
At most, we can always provide more defensive tools.
As for the healer scenario.
on my holy priest, I can pretty much avoid casting most of the time. Casting won’t really be the reason why healers are broken or not.
This is more of a number and balance issue.
IMO we need to bring Resource back into the game for all classes.
For healers and casters. Mana should always be something to manage and control. If you go oom too fast, you are either going through a heavy moment or are poorly managing your resources.
Ever since this dumb new dumb resource system they created, things have been more wack. Mana, to me, has always been the best and most efficient resource tool. Mana combined with abridged CDs on spells have always been the best combo.
Less button bloat.
More heavier hitting spells.
more ways to control healers besides dropping a boring healing reduction across the board.
I’ve been thinking that Halo for Archon should definitely be a instacast lol
Huh?
You realize kicks have a cd right? And you legit don’t even have to fake cast as a sp since you have 3 schools to cast in.
And when you do get a precog that’s a free void torrent to someones face.
The only thing sp needs is spectral guise back so we can slip away again.
Are people not kicking void torrent? How aren’t you able to spam void blasts after?
Thats that kicking does…
U cant do anything… hello.
And when they add a cc right afterwards too, you literally just dont play the game
huh? you cast void torrent, they kick it, you cast void blast??? what’s the issue? if they are using cc to interupt you then they are not using cc on your healer.
And most cc has 30 second cd. and you also have a trinket.
do not say silly things like you don’t play the game.
cc needs to be increased not reduced.
And if you are talking about a 1v1 situation, cast flash heals when kicked and just go back to casting when the kick is over.
So I haven’t tested out Voidweaver, are you suggesting that Void Blast (Empowered Mind Blast) is able to be casted while you are Shadow Spell School Locked due to an interrupt? Does Void Blast act like Mind Spike in that it shares a spell school with Shadow and is NOT solely a Shadow only spell school?
Because otherwise, it stands to reason that if you are interrupted and locked out of Shadow from casting Void Torrent or any other Shadow spell that you would also be locked out of casting Void Blast until your Shadow spell school lock is over with.
No im pretty sure void blast is shadow.
I mean once they kick void torrent, their kick is on cool down for 15 secs, meaning you have 15 secs to spam void blast in their face.
I haven’t seriously PvP on a caster in a long time… prior to Legion.
Last time I checked, if you get kicked / interrupted from a spell school, you are unable to cast at all for at least what 4-8 seconds?
So on a 15 second interrupt cooldown, you really only get 7-11 seconds of cast time before you can be interrupted again by the same interrupt.
This doesn’t even take into consideration other methods to prevent you from casting that are other interrupts from other people or other methods to control you while the interrupt is on cooldown.
The only thing I can think of that allows you some level of freedom to cast is by baiting the interrupt and successfully making them waste the interrupt. But the issue here is that you open yourself up to just get beat down and with our lack of mobily and defenses, its a very risky situation to put yourself in regardless.
All kicks got their durations reduced , most kicks are now 3 seconds.
Good, get both kicks out the way not you can really pump.
Shadow priests are the tankiest spec in the game, flash heal is 10% dmg reduction, fade is another 10% dmg reduction with 43% verse that’s another 22% dmg reduction.
You want to be kicked, in fact when i play vs bad players that don’t use their interupts it completely throws me off as now i can’t channel void torrent in their faces if they don’t kick mind games for example.
And when you are kicked , you cast flash heal for the 10% dmg reduction then cast mind spike to start stacking mind trauma stacks and steal all their haste.
Again, I haven’t played Shadow in PvP on a serious level since prior to Legion. I absolutely detested the changes done to Shadow going into Legion that I just dropped it outright and never really played it until Dragonflight and only just beginning to really.
Having said that, I have played my Demon Hunter in place of my Priest since Legion among other alts and I never fear a Shadow Priest. Perhaps because I know what they can do if let to free cast but I never given any thought to how durable they are.
Prior to Legion I would agree that Shadow is a force to be reckoned with in PvP, especially in the hands of someone that really understands them. But I find it difficult to hold those same beliefs since Legion and I haven’t been convinced they can compete to the same level as other classes in modern wow as it seems every other class has the tools they need to shut down Shadow entirely or just escape anything shadow can do due to its weakness to fend off CC effects (no immunity) and its lack of mobility (no displacements or Spectral Guise).
I recall prior to Legion that I can walk into any situation and basically solo at least 3 people or more (uncoordinated) often and that I didn’t rely on support from teammates. That I don’t think is possible in todays modern version of WoW with the toolkit Shadow has available. But I admit, I haven’t tried to do pull that off as of yet as I only recently started playing again. But again, I haven’t seen any evidence or reason to believe that they could do that again.
The only spec’s that beats sp in a 1v1 are wars and dks mostly.
No spec can 3v1 right now.
Every spec in DF is viable , even tanks.
1 on 1 pvp combat is irrelevant.
We dont have a 1v1 platform besides duel.
Sp arenone of the top 1v1.
In actual pvp gameplay, you are targetted and are cced to the bone.
Wrong, 1v1 is extremely important in bg’s and even more so in rated blitz since its 8v8, less players mean more 1v1’s.
Every time you go take a base or defend it’s usually a 1v1 or 2v2.
How would you know what actual pvp is?
Bgs is the last place you want to consider as a 1v1 pvp platform