Voidweaver Damage

Thx

An oversimplification but also yes.

I want healers to have more options to contribute to the arena life cycle rather than sit a a pillar and pve, and wait for an oppurtunity to CC other healer once then run to another pillar. For a variety of reasons to include queue time reduction, and because it makes arenas more interesting when healers aren’t staff members trusted with enabling dps players fun.

I agree dampening is awful, I await you’re replacement suggestion.

Amplification

Dps slowly deal more damage over time making kill windows more lethal.

Fun for the dps.

Doesn’t make the healer feel nerfed.

Effectively the exact same effect.

Also im happy for disc to be the highest damaging healer. I think its the cool disc thing.

Out damaging dps is too much though.

Agreed. VW damage needs some big nerfs.

Like how? Its already not enough a shtshow people losing half of their healthbar in 0.8 seconds.
Make mana management a thing again. Tweak damage for being more constant and less cooldown dependent. Nerf offensive cds.

I don’t hate it, I don’t love it, couldn’t be worse than damp as an option though while fully recognizing we need something to make sure games end, and I don’t wanna go back to mana drain. That said I don’t think blizzard makes an effort to figure out a better option at this point.

This isn’t actually happening though based on any meaningful data pool. Rogue/mage do the lowest sustain of all specs and are still a healthy bit above. The only context in which “disc out damages dps” is if disc is bursting and dps isn’t. The people saying “Disc out damages dps specs” without further context are just not making a good faith argument, or are considering out of context conditions in which a DPS was shut down and VW disc was free casting.

I make a point to not take a firm stance in either direction, but I also make a point to call out information that isn’t correct.

I don’t have a data pool that differentiates between oracle/vw, but pres is miles ahead in burst capability with disc taking the advantage in sustain, this data could be skewed by the fact that 20%~ of disc are oracle, but even assuming double that %, pres would still take the lead in burst by a significant margin.

I personally haven’t struggled against a VW disc, not that I don’t consider others opinions valid, but I don’t agree with the strength of the opinion about Disc damage, is it over tuned? Maybe, but not nearly as much as people are suggesting. I also feel that disc priest damage is 1000% more easy to mitigate than Pres damage with positioning.

Data observed is from wow arena logs, RSS 2100+ it has a burst damage, and sustain damage column to sort with. Disc data pool is 5400 games, Pres is 1482 games.

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You may be totally right about everything and i don’t disagree.

I was really only referring to awaken in awc. In practice i dont see that happen but. He did it. I cant do it on my disc. :rofl:

Pres burst is oppressive for sure.

Can we finally nerf it? Can’t be that they are even in 3s like 60% of a dps!

They do tons of dmg and tons of healing with it. Any team q’ing with a VW are playing a 3.5 man roster. Completely fried to defend that in any way!

Or would you say its fine when Hybrids suddenly become 60% of a healer while doing 100% of dps with that? Because they have weaknesses (could be kicked)?!

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Honestly voidweaver better catch the MW treatment, spec is even more absurd than MW was.

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Voidweaver fine.

nah

Just kidding

Far away from being fine! Its completely overtuned!

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Dw. They’ll get the ret treatment and nerf pennance by 15%. :upside_down_face:

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voidweaver is far more overpowered than fw was before the nerfs. It’s doing the exact same damage as a dps or very close. I don’t know how vw avoided nerfs. Pretty crazy if you ask me.

And unlike FW doesn’t require you be in the absolute middle of the map and super susceptible to cc without a pet ret to keep you mobile and active. :dracthyr_blob_dance_animated:

VW damage right now is fighting 1.5 DPS and a healer in 2s, don’t know if the Atonenemt buffs made it meta for 3s or not, but defending a healer doing north of 200M DMG to a single target in a 2s match is silly.