📩 "Void" the Silver Covenant

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

The Silver Covenant shows up prominently every other expansion. I’m not sure they can get much more prominent exposure.

Because there were no void elves yet, they don’t seem to show up “prominently” now, in fact in this thread I suggested that the rest of the high elves should just do what they are doing now do the more clerical roles, holding up shields, sending their more active allies messages, and porting them where they need to be. all while the void elves take the more active roles

They just helped Liberate Suramar and fight the Legion. We haven’t even gone a full expansion with them resting. How is this stagnant?

Liberated Suramar, Fought the Legion, returned Alleria their story can only go so far. The only thing that remains is helping the Alliance in the war, and to Theoretically “reclaim” Silvermoon for the Alliance Which the Void Elves have specifically stated that they wanted to do, the Alliance didn’t even have to ask Umbric literally tells the Alliance Army as soon as they enlist

The Silver Covenant doesn’t need to be turned into Void Elves to accomplish this. Alleria is already a High Elf. She could join if she wanted to.

Void Elf* and why hasn’t she then? Umbric and his officers seems to be doing fine training/focusing on the war, Alleria literally stands around at the Alliance ship, and just before that was just with Turalyon after visiting her 2 sisters.

Void Elf Lore Characters need to come from Void Elves themselves, not High Elves or Blood Elves. More on this below.

Void elves do come from High Elves, and Blood elves -_-
Umbric saw action during the second war which made him hate the horde.

Part of their identity is their small numbers, and the story of the Silver Covenant (keeping Blood Elves out of Dalaran) doesn’t exactly make sense with the story of the Void Elves, which is more interested in Quel’Thalas instead.

I mean I would have agreed with this, but if Dalaran is now neutral, then that would mean that the Silver Covenant is neutral too, which means their story won’t advance unless it directly concerns them, I will explain in a moment.

What complimentary goals? The Silver Covenant seeks to protect Dalaran and safeguard the interests of the Alliance

No they don’t, we don’t even know how they feel about the horde post-legion and considering they haven’t helped the Alliance like they used to in the past after they teamed up with the horde in legion one can only Assume that they no longer want to help the Alliance anymore if it means fighting their old friends.

The real issue in all of this is that by trying to add the Silver Covenant to the Void Elves, you would essentially destroy what little identity the Void Elves have to begin with. They’re Twice-Treasonous people struggled with a dark and taboo power, who’s entire drive is to prove themselves to be loyal members of the Alliance.

The Silver Covenant is a Loyal Force of High Elves that never betrayed the Alliance to begin with, and don’t struggle with Dark Powers, because they don’t use them.

My suggestion ties in to that, I will explain better in the morning, but the silver covenant could have a struggle with dark powers in the coming future considering that we are dipping to an old god expansion, and the void elves would be there to help them, this would prove themselves in the Alliance’s eyes.

Dialogue such as Umbric’s comments on proving the worth and loyalty of the Ren’dorei makes no sense if a massive segment of Void Elves are former High Elves, whose loyalty and value has already been proven.

His original followers were all Blood Elves, including the ones that are still coming through the rift, makes no sense? maybe but it’s here and it’s what blizzard wrote deal with it.

Veressa going over the edge and willingly taking part in the void

I agree with your idea on Veressa, but from what I can tell the Blood Elves that were on Umbric’s side never considered themselves part of the horde, and considering Umbric saw action in the second war (?) him and his followers detest the Horde and considered themselves as always having been part of he Alliance. So Basically like High Elves

I agree with your idea on Veressa, but from what I can tell the Blood Elves that were on Umbric’s side never considered themselves part of the horde

They were. What happened was, is that Umbric was researching void magic and he was outcast for it (And I agree with Theron here- We don’t a repeat of the 3rd war). Somehow, Alleria finds out about it and seeks him out- to find him and a few others in a bad situation.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

They were. What happened was, is that Umbric was researching void magic and he was outcast for it (And I agree with Theron here- We don’t a repeat of the 3rd war). Somehow, Alleria finds out about it and seeks him out- to find him and a few others in a bad situation.

Do the Alliance war campaign, and talk to umbric after he talks to shandris shortly before you sneak around in Dazar’alor, it’s explained there, researching void magic was only part of the reason why they left, and is the only story we got from them in legion.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

They were. What happened was, is that Umbric was researching void magic and he was outcast for it (And I agree with Theron here- We don’t a repeat of the 3rd war). Somehow, Alleria finds out about it and seeks him out- to find him and a few others in a bad situation.

Do the Alliance war campaign, and talk to umbric after he talks to shandris shortly before you sneak around in Dazar’alor, it’s explained there, researching void magic was only part of the reason why they left, and is the only story we got from them in legion.

Well, my experience is as an alliance who did the unlock and scenario.
And that’s how it’s explained there.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

it’s not there, need to do the war campaign and talk to umbric after you get in the submarine with that gnome person.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

it’s not there, need to do the war campaign and talk to umbric after you get in the submarine with that gnome person.

Ah, I see. So blizzard tacked on “another” reason- after the fact. lol Not surprised.

[Navuoka-quelthalas]

I don’t think that the OP it’s into some anti-high elf agenda, but the idea don’t make any good to the high elfs. I prefer see at high elves and void elfs in differents social, cultural and politicals branches.
They can trade, socialise, give some support military and political between both, and so on. They can have a good relation because both share the same past, and both have issues with Quel’Thalas and his policies.
But i wouldn’t like a cultural mix between both races. Both have potential to construc their own lore and features, IMHO.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

It’s better than what they had prior which was basically close to nothing, and it explains their seemingly quick and comfortable allegiance among other things, as well as their goals, and agenda, which is good, but back on topic it is the reason why I make these threads it’s clear that void elves are just set up to be the Alliance’s High Elves or Blood Elves whatever

but the idea don’t make any good to the high elfs

Okay that is fair, though my idea would be that the Void Elves would take the more active role within that faction while High Elves do the more clerical roles.

[Navuoka-quelthalas]

while High Elves do the more clerical roles.

What do you mean?

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

Close to what they are doing now, just like the npc’s they could be making them weapons, sending them messages, opening portals for them, or maybe even casting spells to protect their holdings, all the while Void Elves would be the more active wing taking part of the Actual Fighting etc. within the Silver Covenant which perfectly reflects on them being playable at the moment.

(I can explain it better in the morning, I am sleepy and smashed)

[Joestur-tichondrius]

I think this is a good idea. High elves should have never existed on the Alliance anyway. If they have to be there I think it’s best that they be the polar opposite of the blood elves as void elves rather than an exact copy with the only difference being they support the Alliance.

[Navuoka-quelthalas]

High elfs can do all that too.

or maybe even casting spells to protect their holdings

I’m pretty sure that pure arcane magic it’s more strongert than void magic in order to create protective spells.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

High elfs can do all that too.

I agree, but so are void elves though compared to the high elves the void elves are playable, and they should be more represented compared to the high elves while high elves still aren’t

[Navuoka-quelthalas]

High elves should have never existed on the Alliance anyway.

You must read the old lore of WoW, not the lore that pop up in TBC. High elves had an good link with the Alliance.

they should be more represented compared to the high elves while high elves still aren’t

I’m not agianst that, but they should do it by another way, not by “voiding the silver covenant”.

[Joestur-tichondrius]

You must read the old lore of WoW, not the lore that pop up in TBC. High elves had an good link with the Alliance.

No, they were always reluctant allies. If you’re thinking about the human-loving Windrunners they were an exception not the rule.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

You must read the old lore of WoW, not the lore that pop up in TBC. High elves had an good link with the Alliance.

No, they were always reluctant allies. If you’re thinking about the human-loving Windrunners they were an exception not the rule.

I always find it amusing that people use two npc’s as the “rule” to an entire race. And even when they do quote “lore”, it’s as if they believe a small splinter group is an entire race. It’s that old association fallacy at work.
Vereesa is Alliance. Veressa is High elf. Thus, ALL High elves are Alliance.

It’s asinine.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

High elves should have never existed on the Alliance anyway.

You must read the old lore of WoW, not the lore that pop up in TBC. High elves had an good link with the Alliance.

they should be more represented compared to the high elves while high elves still aren’t

I’m not agianst that, but they should do it by another way, not by “voiding the silver covenant”.

You must read the old lore of WoW, not the lore that pop up in TBC. High elves had an good link with the Alliance.

They did not have “a good link” to the Alliance. Here are some facts for you:

1. When the High elves needed aid against the Amani trolls, the Alliance refused to help them- UNLESS they taught the humans magic. Yes, you read that right. They were going to let the elves die, if they didn’t pass on a knowledge that was THEIR birth right- to a selfish people who clearly didn’t deserve it. This is what made Anasterian resent the Alliance. And he had every right too.
2. When the High elves repaid that oath, by aiding the Alliance later on- The Alliance forces left the elves to fight most of the incursions on their own, which resulted in the inability to defend. Their forests and cities were burned, with only themselves to fight. When the Alliance came back- They took credit for the elves survival. Literally-- Even giving them ZERO credit for their military prowess. Many lives were lost, because the Alliance used them as meat shields. And that was when Anasterian said “Nope. I’m done. Go choke on your own saliva.”

The Alliance treated the elves like trash or cannon fodder. That’s not what I call “A good link”.

[Severitas-cenarius (Severitas)]

Unfortunately that ship has long, loooong since sailed. People were speculating on how well they were going to sell the “crack team of blood elves” story for the void elves. Some, including myself, thought that the Silver Covenant elves were either going to perish in the battle for Teldrassil or were going to be corrupted in an expedition with Alleria or something. What we got was much, much worse.

And to make up for it, all we have are a couple of dialogue boxes from Umbric during the war campaign emphatically trying to convince me that their whole storyline isn’t a complete joke. Still, I’m sure that the faction will come to its own own day, much like the draenei did.

[Vexander-wyrmrest-accord]

When the High elves needed aid against the Amani trolls, the Alliance refused to help them- UNLESS they taught the humans magic.

Uhhh… The Alliance didn’t exist back then.

When the High elves repaid that oath, by aiding the Alliance later on- The Alliance forces left the elves to fight most of the incursions on their own, which resulted in the inability to defend. Their forests and cities were burned, with only themselves to fight. When the Alliance came back- They took credit for the elves survival. Literally-- Even giving them ZERO credit for their military prowess. Many lives were lost, because the Alliance used them as meat shields. And that was when Anasterian said “Nope. I’m done. Go choke on your own saliva.”

What? Quel’Thalas sent a token force to support the Alliance when asked to repay the Blood Debt. The full armies of Quel’Thalas were in Quel’Thalas when the Orcs invaded.

The Alliance treated the elves like trash or cannon fodder. That’s not what I call “A good link”.

Garithos treated the Blood Elves like that, but the High Elves have been respected within the Alliance since the Alliance formed. Try divorcing the race from the nation of Quel’Thalas.

[Finalchaotic-hyjal (Finalchaotic)]

When the High elves needed aid against the Amani trolls, the Alliance refused to help them- UNLESS they taught the humans magic.

Uhhh… The Alliance didn’t exist back then.

When the High elves repaid that oath, by aiding the Alliance later on- The Alliance forces left the elves to fight most of the incursions on their own, which resulted in the inability to defend. Their forests and cities were burned, with only themselves to fight. When the Alliance came back- They took credit for the elves survival. Literally-- Even giving them ZERO credit for their military prowess. Many lives were lost, because the Alliance used them as meat shields. And that was when Anasterian said “Nope. I’m done. Go choke on your own saliva.”

What? Quel’Thalas sent a token force to support the Alliance when asked to repay the Blood Debt. The full armies of Quel’Thalas were in Quel’Thalas when the Orcs invaded.

The Alliance treated the elves like trash or cannon fodder. That’s not what I call “A good link”.

Garithos treated the Blood Elves like that, but the High Elves have been respected within the Alliance since the Alliance formed. Try divorcing the race from the nation of Quel’Thalas.

Uhhh… The Alliance didn’t exist back then.

It was the Alliance of Lordaeron. Are you wanting to start a debate that “That Alliance and current Alliance, are two different things?” Because that’s not a debate I’m going to have. Not when I constantly hear (as a Horde player) that “The Orcish Horde and current Horde, are the exact same thing”. It’s hypocritical.

What? Quel’Thalas sent a token force to support the Alliance when asked to repay the Blood Debt.

At first. Until Alleria showed that the Amani was also involved.

Garithos treated the Blood Elves like that, but the High Elves have been respected within the Alliance since the Alliance formed.

“Blood elves— but High elves—”- They are the exact same race. Stop acting like they aren’t. The only difference is political and cultural (since Alliance traitor elves have no culture of their own and adapted human culture. So they are no different than humans). Semantics is arguing over legitimacy, simply based on a name. Which is really what this is and you can argue with yourself on that point. If the Alliance elves were High elves (culturally), they would be living in Quel’Thalas with us but they aren’t /debate.

That all said: I have no idea why you replied to be honest. Because you didn’t make any valid points against what I said. Either that, or you made up something that isn’t actually true.

[Vexander-wyrmrest-accord]

It was the Alliance of Lordaeron.

Lordaeron didn’t exist back then either. There was only one Human Kingdom, Strom.

At first. Until Alleria showed that the Amani was also involved.

Which didn’t happen until the Orcs had already invaded Quel’Thalas.

That all said: I have no idea why you replied to be honest. Because you didn’t make any valid points against what I said. Either that, or you made up something that isn’t actually true.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to clear up their confusion.

That said, High Elves and Blood Elves are two separate ethnicities within the same biological race. Not unlike how Americans and Europeans are still Human. Or French and German.

While there is only one Kingdom ruled by the Thalassian Race (Quel’Thalas), that does not mean all High Elves come from said Kingdom. There have been High Elves living in Dalaran since the Kingdom was founded, which was over 2,700 years ago from the present timeline. These High Elves, along with others who remained loyal to the Alliance after the Second War, never took on the name of Blood Elf, remained loyal to the Alliance, and have been respected members of the Alliance.