is it illegal or frowned upon to use?
It's blatant use of an evil, madness inducing magic in the middle of a city whose culture is based around worship of the holy light--the arch-nemesis of the void.
Draw your own conclusion from that.
Draw your own conclusion from that.
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Ideally? Turn it off, the same as getting rid of your giant Hunter and Warlock pets in a city because, you know, immersion. And having fantastic cosmic power crackling off your body, or having fiends and giant bloodthirsty animals cramming in at your side in a tavern can seem a bit weird.
At the same point, Void Elves and Lightforged Draenei and Dark Iron Dwarves are actual things now. One's a tentacle elf infused with the Void, the other is a literally glowing Draenei, and the third is a Dwarf that's permanently on fire.
I suppose it depends entirely upon how you approach RP and if you're in-character at that point or not.
At the same point, Void Elves and Lightforged Draenei and Dark Iron Dwarves are actual things now. One's a tentacle elf infused with the Void, the other is a literally glowing Draenei, and the third is a Dwarf that's permanently on fire.
I suppose it depends entirely upon how you approach RP and if you're in-character at that point or not.
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You knew what you were getting into when you let the Void Elves into your sacred places.
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11/01/2018 10:43 PMPosted by LayamYou knew what you were getting into when you let the Void Elves into your sacred places.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ZsHXsCiSEGhAk/giphy.gif
Sounds like an explosive situation to me.
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Well, we do have elves so infused with the same evil madness inducing magic that it's a fundamental part of them now who appear to be allowed in Stormwind.11/01/2018 10:08 PMPosted by DakamaIt's blatant use of an evil, madness inducing magic in the middle of a city whose culture is based around worship of the holy light--the arch-nemesis of the void.
Draw your own conclusion from that.
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I'm going to hop on the boat and say there's strong arguments for both. I completely agree it is difficult to see how a city that is the home of the Church of the Holy Light would feel comfortable with beings in shadow form walking about freely, and it does seem contrary to their values. There are no NPC's hanging out in shadow form in SW, and I imagine for good reason.
That being said, it's also absolutely true that the alliance has embraced void elves, and it would seem inherent in that relationship that they would have some degree of tolerance for void magic.
Ultimately, I think this is an inconsistency in the lore. WoW's canon seems so often contradictory that when push comes to shove, it may be easiest to just find a group who you can agree with on it.
That being said, it's also absolutely true that the alliance has embraced void elves, and it would seem inherent in that relationship that they would have some degree of tolerance for void magic.
Ultimately, I think this is an inconsistency in the lore. WoW's canon seems so often contradictory that when push comes to shove, it may be easiest to just find a group who you can agree with on it.
My perspective is that it's not polite, but also not illegal. I mean if you're a mage shooting fireballs into the sky while loudly yelling "POW POW POW!" It's probably also rude. You're in the city. A social environment. A largely safe one. I'd imagine most people would disapprove of your voidform, but nobody would legally stop you.
Lets start with Illegal; No. While previously it might of been seen as such, a race has been inducted into the Alliance that is perpetually in a void state. The mere existence of someone in a void form would not be considered illegal. That said, it could be still deemed by individuals disturbing the peace or depending upon how dramatic it is and the situation os presented it could be deemed threatening others, but no more so than the legality/illegality of a mage juggling fire balls.
Then we get to frowned upon: Yes. Between the nature of the void (as it is known), the church of the Holy Light (and other forms of Light worship), and the general use of magics in a social setting, being a Void form would be frowned upon. It wouldn't be as bad as keeping a demon out (which I'm sure would be the former except in the most specific of circumstances), but very few would be comfortable with someone walking around all voidy.
Then we get to frowned upon: Yes. Between the nature of the void (as it is known), the church of the Holy Light (and other forms of Light worship), and the general use of magics in a social setting, being a Void form would be frowned upon. It wouldn't be as bad as keeping a demon out (which I'm sure would be the former except in the most specific of circumstances), but very few would be comfortable with someone walking around all voidy.
11/02/2018 01:52 AMPosted by Eiridielbad as keeping a demon out (which I'm sure would be the former except in the most specific of circumstances)
To be honest, I'm not so sure that even keeping a demon out is all that illegal anymore. Because, like your example with the introduction of the void elves, beings who were perpetually infused with fel, and visibly corrupted by it, were welcomed into the city with open arms. They even keep their demons prisoner outside. The Illidari literally took one of Stormwind's most scenic balconies and turned it into a demony camp.
I'd put both in the frowned upon camp. Do it if you want.... but don't expect to make many friends.
11/02/2018 02:09 AMPosted by Sarestha11/02/2018 01:52 AMPosted by Eiridielbad as keeping a demon out (which I'm sure would be the former except in the most specific of circumstances)
To be honest, I'm not so sure that even keeping a demon out is all that illegal anymore. Because, like your example with the introduction of the void elves, beings who were perpetually infused with fel, and visibly corrupted by it, were welcomed into the city with open arms. They even keep their demons prisoner outside. The Illidari literally took one of Stormwind's most scenic balconies and turned it into a demony camp.
I'd put both in the frowned upon camp. Do it if you want.... but don't expect to make many friends.
As with anything, it generally depends on context. I'd imagine an imp on your shoulder similar to the lil monkey in Jabba's Palace would be a heck of a lot easier to get away with than an infernal tromping about and reducing the paving stones to slag. Similarly people expect a bit of magic so being shadowy might not draw too much attention, but go full void and start sprouting tentacles and, well... yeah.
Just, use your head folks. "Does what I'm wearing/saying/doing seem dangerous to the general populace? Do I appear to passerby as if I might cause property damage or attempt to kill/rob them?" If the answer to any of that is Yes or even Maybe, then expect to cause panic in the streets among the commonfolk whether it's illegal or no. XD
11/01/2018 10:08 PMPosted by DakamaIt's blatant use of an evil, madness inducing magic in the middle of a city whose culture is based around worship of the holy light--the arch-nemesis of the void.
Draw your own conclusion from that.
The Void Lords are evil, certainly. The Void itself, though? I wouldn't say it's evil so much as chaotic. Just as the Light is more Order than Good. And, as we see with the Maghar Orc scenario, Order can most definitely also be evil.
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I'd say expect IC consequences to happen because of it..
The void elves may be allowed inside, but the priests in the cathedral are still VERY turned off about the whole deal.
The void elves may be allowed inside, but the priests in the cathedral are still VERY turned off about the whole deal.
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11/02/2018 09:48 AMPosted by Dineran11/01/2018 10:08 PMPosted by DakamaIt's blatant use of an evil, madness inducing magic in the middle of a city whose culture is based around worship of the holy light--the arch-nemesis of the void.
Draw your own conclusion from that.
The Void Lords are evil, certainly. The Void itself, though? I wouldn't say it's evil so much as chaotic. Just as the Light is more Order than Good. And, as we see with the Maghar Orc scenario, Order can most definitely also be evil.
is that how the citizens of stormwind see it, though
you're making the mistake of imposing your omnipotence of the lore, as a player, onto that of an npc with limited knowledge and a limited world view
the average stormwind peasant who has grown up their whole life praising the light and seeing shadow magic associated with things considered evil is not going to pause and consider the complexities of the light and the darkness and how similar they are
all of their life and their beliefs are leading them to the conclusion that void magic is evil
are they right? not entirely. but that's just it: characters are flawed and imperfect just like people in real life are. they're ignorant on things they should have no knowledge of. you average human mercenary taking shots in the slaughtered lamb shouldn't be able to hold up conversation about titanic evolution and the creation of the universe.
I'm ranting I know but still, this is a thing that should be talked about more
11/02/2018 10:35 AMPosted by Dakama11/02/2018 09:48 AMPosted by Dineran...
The Void Lords are evil, certainly. The Void itself, though? I wouldn't say it's evil so much as chaotic. Just as the Light is more Order than Good. And, as we see with the Maghar Orc scenario, Order can most definitely also be evil.
is that how the citizens of stormwind see it, though
you're making the mistake of imposing your omnipotence of the lore, as a player, onto that of an npc with limited knowledge and a limited world view
the average stormwind peasant who has grown up their whole life praising the light and seeing shadow magic associated with things considered evil is not going to pause and consider the complexities of the light and the darkness and how similar they are
all of their life and their beliefs are leading them to the conclusion that void magic is evil
are they right? not entirely. but that's just it: characters are flawed and imperfect just like people in real life are. they're ignorant on things they should have no knowledge of. you average human mercenary taking shots in the slaughtered lamb shouldn't be able to hold up conversation about titanic evolution and the creation of the universe.
I'm ranting I know but still, this is a thing that should be talked about more
You make an excellent point, and that should be discussed. One of the reasons I twitch when I see a Warlock who is walking around basically proclaiming in all ways possible they are a warlock.. But thats a discussion for elsewhere.
All this in mind, I'd say this: It is legal to use the void. That said, blatant displays will make people more uncomfortable. IF something can be seen as a threat, as an intent to attack; Someone will run away, someone may draw weapons on you and try to deal with it themselves, and guards will likely be called. If my velf is threatened and attacked from time to time by Light worshippers for having a voidy complexion, something I actually do find amusing and there should be a little LESS acceptance in certain regards when it comes to RP in the setting, you should not expect people in public to be cool with you summoning /sprouting tentacles from your body or doing your best voidwalker impression.
The Alliance was like 'COME ON DOWN VOID ELVES YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT' so they probably expect to have void users in their city.
Also, back in the War Crimes book, Varian Wrynn literally was like "And we... HAVE WARLOCKS!" And then a bunch of warlocks summoned their demons into battle. He was pro-warlock in that scene.
Conclusion: void form (and incidentally warlock demons) are fine.
Also, back in the War Crimes book, Varian Wrynn literally was like "And we... HAVE WARLOCKS!" And then a bunch of warlocks summoned their demons into battle. He was pro-warlock in that scene.
Conclusion: void form (and incidentally warlock demons) are fine.
There's nothing that suggests it's illegal and anyone concluding that has no lore basis.
NPCs within the Cathedral will tell void elf players that it's maybe not the place for them. This is as negative of a reaction as they've gotten, and the only indication of a negative reaction to void elves being void elves in the city, as far as I'm aware.
NPCs within the Cathedral will tell void elf players that it's maybe not the place for them. This is as negative of a reaction as they've gotten, and the only indication of a negative reaction to void elves being void elves in the city, as far as I'm aware.
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I mean, our very presence causes horrors from beyond the stars to manifest at the Sunwell. The Cathedral of Light might not be as potent a nexus, but there's still a chance a large enough gathering of us would basically cause those poor orphans across the way to become snack cakes for some Unspeakable Terror.
11/01/2018 10:08 PMPosted by Dakamamadness inducing magic
so like any other magic
I would say that it would be... extremely frowned upon, and may provoke a violent response from certain elements within the citizenry and the guard. Same goes for a warlock with their demon out. Or a DK with their ghoul out. Or really anybody with their weapon(s) drawn.