Void Elves: You are VOID, not blood

Nothing stopping you from being one who joined after. Now we even have natural skintones to just be wayfarers or scholars like you see in the Rift. You know learning like Alleria did.

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That’s only true for Umbric and his squad. The Silvermoon Scholars and High Elf Wayfarers in Telogrus imply that the newer generations of Void Elves are coming from both defecting Horde Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves. Which in turn means that, going forward, not all Void Elves necessarily used to be Blood Elves.

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i like the purple hair. we dont need blondes, although white and black could work

Yeah, I don’t understand how VOID ELVES don’t have black hair!

Like, wut?

You’re telling us Void Elves with Blood Elf hair shouldn’t exist.

Void elves need more hairstyles and hair colors. I have void elves and I never give them flesh colored skin because it looks ugly. I would like more hair color options though. Just because I think void elves look ugly with flesh tones doesnt mean I dont think YOU shouldnt have that option.

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Considering that, out of all the allied races, Void Elves (or at least their leader, Umbric) had the most active involvement in BFA even taking into account that the opportunity during the N’zoth ordeal wasted, the possibility of developing might be a very real one.

And 4 years of no development it’s nothing for WoW. Trolls remained underdeveloped for several xpacs, same with Gnomes. Night Elves didn’t go through major changes either and we all know how well that went… and Pandaren are still waiting for a crumb of anything.

Comparing the presence and involvement Void Elves had to the several races, old and new, that were downright forgotten for way more than 4 years, Void Elves are in a good spot.

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“Presence and involvement” are great, but they don’t address the lack of foundation.

Moira had little to no presence in BfA, and the Dark Iron played only token roles through the expansion, yet they have existed for over a decade in WoW, and playable Dark Iron came in with a strong foundation already set.

Void Elves (in the sense of Umbric and his squad) on the other hand, didn’t exist until you did the unlock scenario. What I feel Blizzard really should have done by now, is establish how new generations of Void Elves are coming into being. I’d also like to see more detail on the motivations behind Silvermoon Scholars defecting from the Horde, and the High Elf Wayfarers that might have been neutral or from the Alliance, seeking to join the Ren’dorei. That would establish a foundation.

Right now the only foundation Void Elves have is:

“Alleria Windrunner, the primary leader of the Void Elves acquired her powers through studying with the Void Ethereal knows as Locus Walker and absorbing power from various void entities. Her co-leader, Magister Umbric, and his followers, acquired their powers through an accident meant to transform them into Void Ethereals, but survived and gained mastery thanks to Alleria’s teachings. Silvermoon Scholars and High Elf Wayfarers seem to have shown an interest in the Ren’dorei as evidenced by their presence in the Telogrus Rift”

It’s a very bare bones foundation, and it revolves primarily around Alleria, Umbric, and his squad. It doesn’t really tell us much at all about who Void Elves are, and what kind of people they are/will become.

I’d like the foundation to be fleshed out more so I can say:

“These are the Void Elves. They originate from former Horde Silvermoon Scholars and Alliance allied High Elf Wayfarers. The Silvermoon Scholars left the Horde and joined the Ren’dorei because of “reason X” and the High Elf Wayfarers left the lives they were living and joined for “reason Y”.”

"Void Elves acquire their powers and mastery over the void through “process Z”, which involves “this”, “that”, and also “that”.

"The goals of the Void Elves as individuals vary, but as a people they generally strive for “insert goals here” and are currently working towards “whatever it is they are working towards”.

I want Void Elves to have a strong foundation like that so we’re not left relying on head canon and vague implications.

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Yeah more character options is definitely a bad thing :roll_eyes:

Nothing will ever address the lack of foundation unless they retcon things, and considering that it’s part of a quests, I fear that will never be handled.

What you mentioned wouldn’t establish a foundation, it would simply expand on the future of the Ren’dorei. It would work great as development, but it won’t make the time where they didn’t exist turn around.

This is another thing I don’t understand. Umbric is not a “Co-leader”, is he their leader, while Alleria is a mentor figure due to her experience. That has been clear even from the unlocking scenario, and they had him doing plenty of things to cement this.
Apparently you prefer to give Alleria more credit just because she’s a known name and that’s a little vexing, to be honest.

Look at the other ARs, because Void Elves are part of a bigger context.

HM are just tauren that were blessed by Malorne.
LF draenei are blessed by the naaru to continue their holy crusade.
Mag’har are just orcs from another dimension.
DiD are another clan of Dwarves that had been part of the Alliance and yet, now are becoming available.
And Nightborne… are essentially shut-ins Night Elves that were affected by the Nightwell.

“Blood elves that never accepted the Horde and took a questionable path to protect their home, which backfired on them.” is really not that different from the others, and even summarized in a single sentence, it sounds far more complex than the other ARs. It was a mistake that the start was not High Elves, but all that can be done at this point is develoing them.

And as I said regarding that, they’ve been very visible so far, so it might be question of time… but considering how long it takes them to develop races (that aren’t orcs or humans) it will take a while. But that still won’t make them less interesting or erase that they’ve been seen almost as much as a baseline race (and in some aspects, even recieved just as much).

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It wouldn’t do anything about the time they didn’t exist, but the “development” you mentioned would establish a foundation for Void Elves as a race. Right now they are basically half a short story.

Umbric is not a “Co-leader”, is he their leader, while Alleria is a mentor figure due to her experience. That has been clear even from the unlocking scenario, and they had him doing plenty of things to cement this.
Apparently you prefer to give Alleria more credit just because she’s a known name and that’s a little vexing, to be honest.

You’re just flat out wrong here. Alleria is the racial leader of the Void Elves. Umbric defers to her.

Look at the other ARs, because Void Elves are part of a bigger context.

I did. They all existed prior to their release as a playable race… except for Void Elves. They all have some sort of foundation laid prior to being playable. Even the Lightforged, as minimal as it was, had a content patch of existence before being playable.

I won’t argue that Umbric and Alleria have been visible, and that generic Void Elf NPC’s have been seen. They have. But I’m talking about foundational elements. Basic questions that still need answering. Why are these elves joining the Ren’dorei? How are they acquiring their powers? What are some of the goals of the Ren’dorei as a race going forward?

Right now all we have are vague implications and head canon assumptions.

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Except that she doesn’t even carry the title that she says she is and she’s been barely calling any shots other than mainly giving Umbric and his followers a link to the Alliance.
If connecting a race to a faction it’s all that’s needed to become a leader, does that mean Hamuul Runetotem was really the leader of the Forsaken for being the main voice for them to be accepted into the Horde?
Yes, that’s a bit of a hyperbole (or a major one), but it shows that becoming a link doesn’t equal to “leading”.

Existing prior to their release means very little if in at least three (yeah, forgot about Kultirans…) of the examples, we didn’t interact or even knew they existed, and the rest were mainly trashmobs or dungeon/raid bosses that got close to no development.

As I said, they could and should expand on their story, but at the very least, for a race that didn’t exist, they’ve done more than other ARs, because they’ve been useful, in fact, one could argue that they’ve done more than even some baselines races have.

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This whole situation is weird when you consider that Umbric is actually my follower.

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That it’s difinitely a blow to his character and as leader.

The guy lead the entire assault into Zuldazar, to have him as a follower is a very stupid thing.

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Yeah. Like, they just introduce the guy as my superior, and now suddenly he’s my follower? It felt weak.

As for who’s the leader of the void elves, I’m just gonna take Wowhead’s side and say it’s Alleria. Wowhead is a trusted source here after all.

Umbric uses a generic model and just looks like any other player, so I always thought he was supposed to be our Nathanos. You know, back before Nathanos got his special new model.

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Sadly allied races are secondary in the story. The BFA story was definitely written for non-allied races. Umbric (and the Void Elves) were still be in the “proving our worth” mode to the Alliance.

I guess they thought it could give him some visibility but they picked the worst possible way to do that, but then again… this is blizz.

Wowhead might be reliable when it comes to its database for items or quest, I don’t know if that’s the case when it comes to lore details, though.

To me, what I saw when I did the scenario, was Umbric accepting her as a mentor.

What does that say about Mayla or Geya’rah, or Fareeya or Erazmin… or Kiro…

EDIT: That reminds me, Vulpera also had close to no development and they have the weakest of the foundations. But I guess since they’re “cute” they get a pass?

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They had an entire zone that featured them prior to being playable. We got a look at their struggles and how they survive in their desert environment. We had the bulk of the expansion to “get to know them”. They were established prior to being playable.

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Her eyes weren’t obtainable until the SL pre-patch (if we get those now, I’d have to check to be sure) to be fair.

I’ll admit I’ve never bothered to look close enough to see a difference in her eyes, she always looked like another of the bunch.

The struggles of dealing with a predator race yes. But outside of that we only know that they’re essentially furry goblins. They travel, they trade, that’s it.