Void elves should be able to go to silvermoon city

Well, they betrayed the Alliance by recalling themselves home. Can you be a traitor to a faction of traitors?

By that logic, all the Blood Elves ARE traitors.

Which makes sense I mean you are all ancestors of Elves who betrayed the Night Elves for Queen Azhara who betrayed her people-

You know what I’m starting to see why Elves are seen as Traitors so often, it’s in your blood.

Yeah. We are. Because the Elves themselves did when the Lothar came to them for aid and immediately ditched them the second the opportunity arose.

None of that was enough for King Anastarian and the Court of the Sun. Whether or not that attitude was justified, whether or not that makes the Elves snobbish, disloyal, dismissive, or egotistic doesn’t change that dismissing all that history is that’s exactly what happened.

… no, the Alliance came to the Elves, who could barely be bothered. Not the other way around. They even used the Trolls as part of their excuses for ditching the Alliance after the fact.

They did not come to the Alliance because of the Horde allying with the Amani, that happened after the Alliance approached them.

Uh, no. The Alliance barely did anything for Quel’thalas, that’s why they left in the first place.

And yes, Quel’thalas’ token support of the Alliance didn’t merit much reciprocal effort from the Humans and Dwarves, but that’s the whole point.

Trolls generally hate everyone whose not their own tribe of Trolls. That’s how Trolls work. Also, that was the Amani trolls, not the Darkspear.

Garrosh and his toadies hated everyone who wasn’t Garrosh and his toadies. That’s how Garrosh worked.

Sylvanas wanted to kill and resurrect everyone, that was her state policy from day one, that was how Sylvanas worked.

The Goblins couldn’t care less about any culture and only want to fleece money out of everyone. That’s is how Goblins work.

Sylvanas is in hell. Garrosh is dead and his die-hards are too. Gallywix is gone and actively hated by “his” own people. The Amani, the Troll tribe who actually hates the Blood Elves and the Horde at this point, is basically extinct.

The only elements within the Horde who would have any kind of strong, specific anti-Thalassian bias are dead, gone, and insignificant. The place of Quel’thalas within the Horde has never been stronger.

Actually, they don’t.

To be a High Elf, you not only have to be willing to side with the Alliance over your own people, side with them over your own people when your people were facing annihilation, find a source of clean magic to survive magical deprivation in the absence of the Sunwell in a post zombie apocalypse, oh, and also survive said zombie apocalypse. All without the support of your people, because you turned on them to stick with this military coalition instead.

Blizzard almost never does numbers, but one of the very few they’ve stuck to is that 90% of all Thalassians did not survive the Third War. Of that miserable tenth remaining, the High Elves would be a tiny, tiny fraction. “High Elves” are a vanishingly small handful of rebels and do not represent any significant portion of any population. Their “loyalty” to the Alliance does not matter because they do not matter.

Quel’thalas does not like the Alliance. They never liked the Alliance. And the Alliance has given them plenty of reason not to. They’re part of the Horde. They’ve been part of the Horde for longer than they were ever part of the Alliance. They were part of the Horde in far more challenging times than now, and that relationship has only grown stronger over time.

That is the reality of modern WarCraft. Whether you accept that or not.

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Give me the source that says that website which has been deleted is still canon.

Otherwise you’ve just proven my point that it’s not canon, and you have to deal with it.

I thought dev comments don’t have any meaning? Are you now saying they do but only when (you think) they side with you? LOL

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People have been giving you sources this entire thread and you tell them it’s not legit coming from Blizz.

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Actually untrue. All current blood elves are ancestors of the group of highborne that betrayed Azshara. Any highborne that did not betray her is either a satyr, naga or dead.

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I give it two expansions.

Most of your sources are deleted or have been retconned all but officially but a offhand dev comment out of context has more strength in the lore to you than the source you’re using being outright deleted.

Clown logic.

So Blood Elves have being traitors in their blood no matter how you view it then? Nice.

Pretty sure the tabletop RPG was never considered canon.

Medan is canon until blizzard says otherwise but it’s clear they don’t like to use him.

Yes unless it’s contradicted or we get a word of god telling us it’s no longer canon it is 100% canon.

That’s exactly how canon works.

It’s not treason to leave an alliance. An alliance isn’t a government you’re forced to be a part of. It’s one you choose to be a part of and can leave at any moment. They formerly withdrew from the alliance. Not treason.

Now the high elves choosing to stay out I don’t think should be called traitors but they could be considered such for refusing an order to abanadon former ally territory especially if they were commissioned soldiers as they run the risk of telling military secrets. At least that’s a modern perspective.

LMFAO! So now people’s sources, including videos were deleted. Enjoy your drug trip there.

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How much of this “Horde” is actually left after they cannibalized each-other in the war against Garrosh and Sylvanas?

I suppose if you kill off 90% of your faction you’d have a pretty strong stance among them. Talk about bringing others down to your level lmao.

So who has Aetish, how did Dadgar get it?

If you’re not willing to throw out lore that was all BUT officially removed from the game, then you have a very messy story that doesn’t make any sense because Blizzard are not fans of announcing retcons, they just let it fade in the wind.

Lor’themar would disagree considering the Void Elves left the Horde, an Alliance, and are considered traitors.

“The original article, formerly located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml, did not survive the overhaul of the World of Warcraft Official Website.”

Are you blind to things that don’t match your narrative?

How about make Draenei friendly to both factions? My race has defeated the Burning Legion and has no involvement in faction conflicts. :relaxed:

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Most hilarious post. Maybe the wiki might help you on your way. There was a video posted in this thread too that you keep ignoring.

https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf

The high elves were once a significant force on the continent, but in recent times their numbers have been dramatically reduced: 90% of their race was slaughtered in the [Third War]; Following this, another 90% of the survivors changed their name to “[blood elves]” in remembrance of their fallen brethren and no longer consider themselves high elven.

The number of High elves remaining is not precisely known, however it is stated that the surviving high elves comprise a mere 1%. Since Kael’thas took 15% of the blood elves to Outland, and since Kael’thas’ army numbered at least 2,000 (“thousands of them”) according to the ‘Excerpts from the Journal of Archmage Vargoth’, it follows that the total high elf population is currently at least 1,481 (and at least ~148,000 prior to the Third War).

The non-canon roleplaying sourcebooks (see below) gave solid population numbers for most races, and put the total high elf population at around 24,810. This was contested, however, given the disproportionate amount of blood elves this would create (more than the entire Alliance and Horde combined), and further complicated by an errata which, among other tweaks, greatly reduced the total high elf number. Ultimately, the RPG books as a whole were denounced as non-canonical, leaving only the Warcraft Encyclopedia’s official percentages, the Excerpts from the Journal of Archmage Vargoth, and Blizzard’s own statements as an indication of canonical high elf numbers.

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A lot of OG Draenei still hate the Orcs and the Belves

If your logic has you saying Me’dan is canon, then I have literally no interest in discussing lore with you. Because you’re just straight up wrong.

If the lore was deleted, dismissed, or referenced as being non-canonical anymore, it’s been retconned sorry.

Me’dan doesn’t exist, the Old Gods are not as strong as the Titans, and there are High Elves on the Alliance.

I literally quoted it but you keep ignoring that.

The Wiki is referencing this:

"The original article, formerly located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml, did not survive the overhaul of the World of Warcraft Official Website. "

as it’s source, which isn’t a source.

The wiki is garbage and not an official source.

Send me an official, working, activation blizzard hosted source, not the ramblings of a wiki literally anyone can edit using deleted sources as evidence.

Because the site was remodeled. The lore hasn’t been. Show me an official source that changed it.

And are a risk to everyone else by entreating the void.

Arthas was also banned from going there but we all know how that turned out.

Nope. You live on Space Mountain visited by no one now.

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"The original article, formerly located at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/index.xml, did not survive the overhaul of the World of Warcraft Official Website. "

It did not survive. It’s been deleted.

Is Me’dan canon? By your logic yes. So your logic is bad.

The Orcs made roads out of my race’s bones. :frowning_face:
As for Belves, we both share a common interest which is the obsession with the light. :smiley:

Show me an official source that changed the canon.

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