literally your cinematic isnt what actually happened according to lore. That’s the problem and the point I made. The argument of ‘but the cinematic’ doesnt hold water because it was something designed and implemented to excite both factions to the singular raid. (the fact is that blizzard doesnt actually design multiple raids and make them faction exclusive)
Basically how lore plays out is more like the raid on dazalaor in BFA. You think the alliance actually went to fight off Jaina?
Well, maybe next time an entire species that is loosly tied to them is starving to death the alliance will send assistance just to ensure that the faction stays there.
The cinematic is two things, one is a flash back of the Alliance helping capture Zul’jin pre-WoW and then the second part is set in Burning Crusade. Which again your argument was the Alliance of warcraft 2 did nothing to help the high elves with the trolls, hence why they left.
Your argument hinged on you talking about events in Burning Crusade. Where as the cinematic show what happened in BOTH BC and pre-WoW. And what happened was the Alliance still helped the high elves with their troll problems but the high elves still left.
You do realize the Alliance side is us being told what happened to Jaina? So no, the Alliance did not fight off Jaina, it was the Horde.
I literally told you the two books literally contest your point and that the in game stuff is unfortunately the less ‘lore truth’
And my point was that in the game (yes the game) it is intentionally designed to have each faction handled the instances. UNFORTUNATELY according to the lore that doesn’t actually happen it is designed that way in the game for game play reasons. Specific instances are handled by specific factions
I’m not judging anyone based on appearances, tentacle face here. I’m just saying that we should be proud of the gross the same way Pandaren are proud of their size.
I’m sorry, but saying that the Void Elves have a theme beyond, “purple,” is a gross exaggeration and praise Blizzard does not deserve.
Void Elves are single-handedly the most under-developed, lamest race in World of Warcraft, bar none, because Blizzard never put any serious thought or consideration into them. Hell, they didn’t even exist until the last five minutes of their own recruitment scenario, that’s how awful Blizzard has treated them!
Their heritage armor looks like it was ripped off of the corpse of a Dreadlord they found in the Telogrus Rift, and then dipped in a vat of void-colored koolaid. All they’ve ever done with the Void is stuff mages have been doing all along, just purple instead of blue. Void Elves have 1 actual named lore character, who’s portrayal has earned him the meme moniker of, ‘Comrade Umbric.’ Can we also talk about that name for a moment? Like, damn, Zul and Velen step back, Umbric’s parents hit that nail on the head.
I think it’d be easy to ignore all of that if Blizzard ever actually did anything with the Void Elves relating to the Void, but they never did!
There’s an artificial Old God in Uldir about to break it’s bonds and destroy the world? Guess we need Brann Bronzebeard to bring Alliance players over to that. Not like the Void Elves would have any interest in something so steeped in the void as an artificial Old God.
The player-character gets an eyeball slapped on their forehead and wants it removed? Sorry, apparently the Void Elves can’t help them, but the human shaman sure can.
Azshara’s stranded the Alliance and Horde fleets in a hole in the ocean, and there is a literal cavern filled with Naga Void Mages, raising void squids, with void tomes laying about? No, of course the Void Elves aren’t there to research or study or even counter them or anything. Why would they be interested in all that Void stuff?
Ebonhorn is succumbing to the corrupting whispers of the Old Gods and we need a cure? As this is something the Void Elves struggle with all the time, surely they must be absolutely instrumental in saving- Nope. Cure was in Karazhan all along. Because why wouldn’t it be?
N’Zoth is opening rifts and invaded Azeroth, spreading chaos all over the world with maddening visions, and where are the Void Elves?! NO WHERE! Unless you count the Horrific Vision of Stormwind as trash mob NPCs.
The Void Elves were only ever relevant in the war campaign to fight the Horde with purple-colored mage tricks, or for Horde players to kill in said campaigns without having to feel bad about fighting the Alliance for a change. There was no thought or effort put into this race at all. No development, no growth, no nothing. Like, damn but their very name is even a meme (Ren’dorei, like Kylo Ren from the new Star Wars movies).
You can argue that High Elves don’t have a, ‘theme,’ like some races do, but to say the Void Elves have a, ‘concrete theme,’ is a bold faced insult to what players deserve.
If anything the Void Elf theme is, “how little effort can we put into a race to get players to shut the F up about High Elves?”
I’m sorry if I sound mad, but I am. We as players DESERVE better than this travesty of a race. We deserve a race steeped in actual void lore, not this purple magic we’ve gotten. We deserve a race with an identity beyond a color. We deserve a race with more than 1 named NPC.
We deserve a race, not a two-dimensional cardboard cutout.
And if this was how Blizzard always intended the Void Elves to be, they should’ve just added High Elves to begin with and be done with it, because at least the High Elves have been an active part of the Alliance since vanilla.
The book does not contest it. The page you mentioned was about events in Burning Crusade, not Warcraft 2.
And that is not what I am talking about. I specifically used that cinematic to point out the Alliance of Warcraft 2 helped the HIGH ELVES with their troll problems. Which you said was the reason the high elves left(it was not).
Blood Elves are High Elves, sure. Claiming that the Alliance should get “High Elves” was not what i were suggesting. What i am saying is that Blood Elves should be a neutral race because they do not really fit in with the Horde. That’s not to say that the Horde is supposed to be nothing but savage brutes. But rather that they never got anything from joining the Horde. And they don’t really interact with the other Horde races very much, if at all. Minus Nightborne, but that’s much more recent. Blood Elves relationship with the Horde has been so one sided that they were planing on defecting to the Alliance during MoP.
Canonically, it was the Alliance that helped to take back and restore the Sunwell, as well as dealing with the Amani trolls during TBC.
That’s not to say they belong to the Alliance either. For one they never really got along with Humans as much as people think they did. It was mostly out of obligations for helping them out with the Trolls, and later the orc invasions. Of course, there was also Jaina’s little tirade in MoP that caused Blood Elves to change their mind of defecting to the Alliance.
As Lorthemar put it, “We [Belves] are on our own”. Hence a neutral race.
In exchange for losing a core race, the Horde would finally get Ogres. Which was the originally intended race meant for the Horde during the development of TBC anyways. Blood Elves were just an enemy faction until relatively late in development.
Hell even better, now that faction doesn’t mean what it used to. And night elves are kinda pissed off at the Alliance (or was anyways, or they over that? (Not to mention that Night Elves never made sense as an Alliance race in the first place. They were absolutely neutered in vanilla WoW to fit in with the rest of the Alliance)).
No; Nelves, Belves, Velves, and Nightborne should come together to form a new faction. With a reformed Aszhara as their leader. Could even bring in playable Nagas that way! As “sea elves”. With a transformation similar to Worgens and Dracthyr. Scaly Nelves out of combat, Nagas in combat.
This is only a half serious suggestion.
Actually on a second thought. This is absolutely a serious suggestion.
What does super majority mean? It doesn’t mean all, and I used those specific words for a reason, so that you wouldn’t make a response to state that not all left. Most did. However, you still felt the need to point out that some stayed on the Alliance. You really need to read every word that another posts.
