And I don’t care that you don’t care, generic humans # 10556938.
Yep, it was the right move to respond like I did to you.
1 Like
Well I hope in the future you try to argue in good faith.
1 Like
How? Their neighbour kind of ditched them during the second war. What more did they owe?
The elves sent forces prior to the attack on Quel’thalas, the humans just felt they didn’t send enough help. A move that turned out to be the right one because they were attacked soon after.
They had lost 90% of their population, they were not in a position to play world police.
Also one had changed and sought forgiveness and one did not. If the Alliance had say, had a complete cultural revolution and then helped them purely out of good will rather than, I dunno, sent saboteurs to destroy their infrastructure they might have forgiven them too.
2 Likes
actually no, the BE government ditched the alliance. Then when karma came, they tried to beg for help again lol.
This could had been prevented if they actually helped lorderon when they asked. again karma.
I just tire of the moral absolutism where people need Blood Elves to either have made the empirically correct or wrong choice by joining the Horde.
It was just a choice.
1 Like
The Alliance in the second war pulled their forces from Quel’thalas as soon as the orcs were beaten, leaving them to fight a large scale war against the Amani without support.
2 Likes
This is true. That needs to end. There is no point to this anymore to argue about semantics. I think I won’t entertain them with it anymore unless it pertains to current lore. Mostly because they don’t seem to know the lore, and when countered with evidence they deflect to another piece of the lore they think it’s right anyways, as seen in this thread for over what, 300 posts?
And this is what I pointed out as naive, because the Blood Elves care more for their safety and goals -which I agree- over empty platitudes.
It was the alliance wariness and distrust what sealed the deal in BC -with the dwarven spy- it was all politics.
To say “the horde changed and asked forgiveness UwU” is painfully naive when the Blood Elves were ready to jump ship on MoP because of Garrosh’s actions.
Blood Elves are completely pragmatic, to pin their joining the Horde on “changing” and “asking forgiveness” when the former proved to not be permanent and the later an empty platitude is, again, painfully naive.
Why do people keep selling the Blood Elves so short? They make the hard choices, no need to simplify them.
2 Likes
Be sure to ask him for sources or fact check his posts. It seems he seems to push his personal fan fiction as lore a lot as we saw earlier in the thread.
1 Like
Bold words from someone who only mentioned Garithos when it’s brough up Alliance actively tried to wipe the blood elves…
says the random guy who don’t want to debate and demands people waste there time on him.
Garithos = 1 person
horde = whole faction
one sent a troop squad he discriminated on a suicide mission, the other tried to do actual genocide. Tell me which is worse?
again, this lore don’t matter, I think I’m done.
Sure, but let’s not pretend most of these discussions are biased on either side and both sides love to nitpick when it suits them. Everyone needs to be better.
Both Horde and Alliance did nasty things to the elves, and when someone wholly sweeps one under the rug to tear down the other, then you know it’s just bias.
Sylvanas = 1 person
1 Like
Pretty much. I personally blame both sides. Which made interesting story of HE vs. BE over the years on why they hate each other and what not. They experienced different things, and story wise have different biases
The Horde also stood with the Blood Elves in their hour of need when the Alliance chose to sabotage their lands and efforts. So what are you talking about when its also in the context of Blood Elves going through a societal reset, and that included who they saw as allies considering who was helping them and who was hurting them.
When have the blood elves shown anything but exasperated patience with their wayward kin? The ‘hatred’ has only ever gone in one direction.
Better not get too smug, someone who actually knows lore might correct you. Again.
1 Like
Orgrim Doomhammer = 1 person
Guess the orcs didn’t do anything wrong to the elves. Glad we sorted that out.
2 Likes
I’m pretty sure atm the sunreaver’s disagree with you.
The Sunreaver’s what?