Vivacious Vivification should not be consumed while channeling soothing mist.
Yes, agreed. Upvoted.
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Should not be consumed when vivify is casting and the buff wasn’t up
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Make vivify fully instant with no CD to solve this.
Forcing soothing mist is dated and clunky Mechanic. Soothing mist should be optional for higher HPS and Clouded focus benefit.
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I’ve noticed that the timer is always running.
For example, when the buff is ready, if you wait 9 seconds to cast it. You will have the buff ready again 1 second after. Not sure if it is intended. The buff does say “every 10 seconds” and not 10 second after your last vivify.
I agree that it shouldn’t be consumed during soothing mists.
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They changed/fixed Clearcasting on Druid to not be consumed when innervate is up, they can do that here.
Agreed, should not be consumed during soothing.
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I 100% believe renewing mist should have been the spell in the talent tree where soothing is and just make soothing a baseline ability in mw spec.
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Id rather have both and be able to throw a hot out on all specs
This. I’m not sure why they ever back-tracked on the way the talent originally worked. Instant Vivify was such a nice QoL change - and then they messed it up. 
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Agree with this as well. Instant Vivify solved alot of the issues the spec is currently having. And looking at how the top specs are performing now, there is no way MW would have been “OP” like they feared.
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Having played my MW in DF since launch, yeah… I think it’s safe to say instant Vivify wouldn’t have been OP at all. I mean, MW is considered a B-tier Healer in both PVE and PVP. Would spammable instant Vivify really push us into broken territory? Honestly, I don’t even think spammable instant Vivify would bring us out of B-tier, let alone break us.
Edit: let’s not forget that the new version of the talent also introduced a lot of wonky bugs which were never fixed, and likely won’t be fixed until the next xpac. I reported those bugs back in the DF PTR… and, yet, here we are.
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This would be such a good change for both of the other specs. Holy hell, why is Soothing Mists there? I know we arent the only class that feels this way, but some of the talents look like a rough draft of an attempt at meaningful talents.
Dont get me wrong… the new talent system is awesome, its why I came back to the game. But it is currently at least 75% illusion of choice. They need a more balanced goal of playstyle choices. And while they are at it, please make the bottom talents in the Monk class tree be much more potent. Jade statue AND Ox statue both need buffs. Big time.
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I looked at picking this up early expansion as a pseudo earth elemental if a tank died but the Ox statue has like 125k health and tanks are basically gods if they play right…Should be baseline for BrewM
xD
Id rather see them removed and something actually worthwhile in more than just m+ go through.
Yeah as you said the illusion of choice is what we have.
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Fistweavers don’t have high HPS throughput especially in some weeks when you have to dodge nasty m+ affixes. Sheilun does not solve this as it has a cast time.
The reason Druids and evokers are S-tier is because they have a big toolkit that deals with spike damage when moving. Not to mention having Brez and Lust.
Instant Vivify and perhaps occasional instant Enveloping mist (even maybe tying this to thunder focus tea) would give us much needed breathing room to keep people alive until we can bring those big heals in.
A better toolkit that lets us keep people alive while moving is critical.
#makevivifyINSTANT
PS: Does anyone know if the Devs ever visit Monk forums to hear our concerns? Or just PTR forums?
the last time a dev came here was in bfa to ask us if we were fun. They never responded to a single thing to anyone’s points, but to be fair all 3 specs basically said they want MoP monks back
All classes pretty much want MoP design back
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Well they gave that to Evokers.
They have a mitigation spell that behaves like stagger. MW in MoP had Chi, the devs said it’s too hard to balance so took it away.
Now evokers have Essence which is a rebrand of Chi.
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please don’t bring back chi 
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Chi was really fun and made monks truly unique.
But the point to support OP is Vivify needs to be instant.