So since halberds are used in cutscenes and the justification for new classes are that younger dracthyr are picking up new career paths after waking up from their slumber: could evoker get polearms?
I literally cannot imagine what it unbalances and paladin, monk and druid already means there’s Int polearms.
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Those classes can use polearms yes, but are there… int polearms? I dont know if I have ever seen one of those.
Basically every piece of gear in the game since they started updating them in Legion has all the primary attributes of every spec of each class that can use them (so Int if a heal spec or a caster can use them, Str if Warrior, Paladin and DK can use them, Agi if Rogue, Hunter and Monk can and so on)
You will get polearms for Dracthyr when Dracthyr Warrior comes out.
You can’t even see 2 handed weapons on a Dracthyr’s back in dragon form anyway.
The thing is dracthyr warriors are explicitly people who just decided to pick up the path of the warrior after waking up. I’m saying the cutscenes showed halberds before that.
And thankfully they don’t show between the wings, it would look incredibly silly
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Warriors have existed for all time though. I don’t think WoW’s Warrior is necessarily a time period based class.
Not every Dracthyr is even able to take on the title of Evoker. Our player character can use all 5 Dragonflight’s magic, which grants us the title of Evoker. Being a Evoker is quite rare actually. Most Dracthyr could only access the magic of 1 flight, hence the various creches and factions the Dracthyr had.
I think a lot of people have this misunderstanding.
Dracthyr warriors are explicitly new in the announcement (and while evokers are supposed to be super special, regular dracthyr regularly use draconic magic in the isles, even some who are sort of vaguely coded as other classes).
Like if I’m being honest this is more a lore thing than a personal request (although I only use staves specifically because they’re the only weapon option that doesn’t show outside of visage)
To me it just kind of sounds like people wanted Evokers to be or play like Dragoons in their minds (not saying that you are saying that specifically), and they wanted them to be a melee class. And I just have to put my stake in the dirt for those of us that love Evokers playing like “Dragon Mages” the way that they are. I would be really sad if they ever made them more melee oriented, and it would ruin the class.
As far as simply adding Polearms to the Evoker class and not changing the way Evoker plays, then I mean fine, I don’t necessarily mind that, but you aren’t going to really even notice unless you’re in Visage form or have the weapon unsheathed.
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Nah I don’t want dragoons or a heavy polearm focus (my ideal dracthyr tank spec uses wings as shields and fist weapons/claws as their core weapon lmao, I don’t even care about having a melee dps spec), it’s literally just for the halberds from the cutscenes.
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If Blizz ever down the line revisits adding a 4th spec to some classes, Evoker tanks would be a great addition. I also want Shaman tanks in the game because it just makes sense. That earth element theme is just perfect for tanking.
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I mentioned this on another thread but gonna paste it here
If we consider the evidence at hand, it seems like conceptually Augmentation was meant to be a melee oriented spec, probably a tank.
The Polearm wielding Dracthyrs we see in the legacies video were Emberthal and her weyrn specifically and we know they were augmentation evokers. Also on the quests where she accompany you previous to the one with Adamantia’s release she can be seen fighting at melee range.
Also on the Scaleborn war novel (spoilers ahead). She nearly soloed Razageth using a polearm and was about to execute her with it before Razageth aimed at the Oathbinder.
This makes me think that on concept augmentation was probably supposed to originally be a melee oriented spec using polearm and black dragon magic to enhance its own defense and/or offense, probably a non shield tank spec. Until someone at blizzard probably said “so… Uh… So what about if we make it a range support spec instead and hope that people just forget that we already showed them wielding spears in official canon media”
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Can you give a source on this please? You keep saying this as a fact, but I’ve never seen it verified anywhere that all of those Dracthyr were specifically Evokers. They are probably just Dracthyr flavored Warriors. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary, I don’t see the point in stating this over and over like it’s a fact.
Again, we have to use the evidence at hand;
Neltharion logs on the shores he mentions Sarkareth, Viridia and Emberthal as his elite Scalecommanders. Each one and their weyrns had a job.
Sarkareth’s was to “devastate” their enemies.
Viridia’s was to “preserve” their allies.
Emberthal’s was to “augment” their troops.
Also when Emberthal remembers her past and what happened when Razageth attacked they show the legacies bit with the polearm wielding Dracthyrs and zoom in on the leading one, indicating that she is that Dracthyr and the Dracthyrs in front of her are his weyrn. And then there is the Scaleborn novel that further shows her and her weyrn engaging Razageth in combat with polearms before she brings her down.
Of course this doesn’t necessarily means that all of them are evokers. But considering the 3 leading Scalecommanders were Neltharion’s elite we can safety assume that at least they are evokers (Sarkareth was using both Devastation and Augmentation skills on his boss fight), and the Dracthyrs they commanded were atleast proficient on their respective specs magic type (red/blue for Sarkareth’s weyrn, bronze/green for Viridia, bronze/black for Emberthal).
so it’s safe to say that atleast the polearm wielding Dracthyrs on the legacies video, wich are directly commanded by Emberthal on the Scaleborn novel are either augmentation evokers or atleast just specialized on bronze and black magic to be considered Augmentation
Also the idea of evoker as purely this elite is silly because it sort of requires assuming the class system for NPCs applies exactly as for us. Most dracthyr had the powers of one flight, who wouldn’t necessarily be considered evokers even if they do function as limited evokers because it’s the class with draconic magic.
Fair enough as long as people know that not every single Dracthyr is an Evoker by title. It’s actually pretty rare.
I will say to add on to this discussion though, we see major lore characters defined by a class not using the combat methods the player character uses all the time. For example, Anduin Wrynn is a Priest that wears plate and wields a sword. Or Tyrande Whisperwind a Priestess of Elune that uses a bow and arrow and star (Arcane?) magic, etc.
So, while these Scalecommanders may be Evokers, it doesn’t necessarily mean our player character would outright use the same tools these major lore leaders would.
That being said, I have no qualms adding Polearms to Evoker, as long as Preservation and Devastation stayed casters. I’m just a stickler for the lore. And Evoker lore is already pretty scarce as it is.