Just curious , why does vers / crit sim better than haste / mastery for Demo locks . Is it better to dump points on vers / crit after reaching 27 % haste unbuffed. Just wanted to get a feedback from our fellow demo locks on whether your sims are also preferring Vers / Crit than Haste / Mastery. This is for PVE ST.
If I remember correctly, 27% is where you hit the GCD cap on HoG.
Crit becomes important after that because of the talents that increase crit chance and crit damage for your demon, and mastery falls behind vers because mastery only buffs your demon while vers increases the warlock’s damage as well, which matters more now because of Blizzard pulling some damage back into the warlock’s spells.
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This is because our abberus set was favoring more haste and mastery due to increasing our pet’s damage and attack speed. Our new set favors crit and vers because of demonbolt hitting harder and the doom volley scaling with vers. You are correct on the 27% haste. Ideally we would have something like 30% Crit, 27-30% haste, 30% mastery, and 10-15% vers.
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Thanks so much for your concise answer .
It’s mostly because of tier set plus gear choice.
Belors doesn’t care about haste, the on-use staffs (staves?) don’t care about haste, nymues scales better with crit/vers, etc. When you have all these direct damage effects without haste scaling, vers/crit skyrockets in value. Mastery value being lower is also because those direct damage effects are obv not pet damage, so not scaling.
Destro is similar right now too for the same reasons, plus DRift doesn’t scale off Mastery in the slightest.
If you’re looking for exact values, it’ll vary greatly depending on trinkets and such, but I see a lot of top 100 demo parses in raid with 15-20% Haste (think even Kalamazi had like 17-18% haste in his raid gear). Some are shooting for 30% crit/20% haste/15% mastery/30% vers, but do what works for you.
Not sure why my main is not showing as the poster (Gelatia - Proudmoore) . But am running with 30% crit , 27% haste , 26% mastery and 15% Vers. And as you pointed out , yes , my DD gear is not impacted by mastery … so I think thats why Crit / vers gets so much weightage compared to other stats . Thanks so much for the explanation.
- Shadow Bolt, Demonbolt, Hand of Gul’dan all buffed
- Tyrant baseline nerfs (naked Tyrant!) and general talent shakeups
- Gearing options - on use trinkets, staves, head enchant from raid quest
- Stat inflation
- 2p Demo tierset doesn’t interact with Mastery
There’s a lot going on. 
So true …it just feels different from the last few patches when demo used to value haste / Mastery due to the reasons you listed … so no longer we can use the same gear for demo and destro this patch , I guess , due to the wide variance in stat weightage for these 2 specs .
Demo and Destro are closer together than Affliction. You can afford some more mastery in m+ for AOE value on Implosion, Guillotine, Demonic Strength, Dreadstalkers, and the 4p Doomfiends.
Thanks for the inputs 
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Juego 17 versa 30 crit 26 mastery y 26 celeridad 476ilevel y 2.85k io y me golpean y humillan por un brujo de maestrĂa, celeridad, Âżpor quĂ©? Porque juegas todas tus cartas al revĂ©s para obtener daño de conjunto de niveles, Âżverdad? De acuerdo… recuerden que el conjunto de niveles depende mucho para proc, mi opiniĂłn es mucho mejor la potencia de los demonios implotion, dreadstalkers vilguard y los diablillos que poner mi stat solo para una oportunidad de proc, para mĂ la celeridad de maestrĂa es mucho mejor, (apenas inglĂ©s pero lo intento)
Took a bit to translate that but the gist of your inputs is that , haste / mastery is better due to increased proc rate of HOG , and implosion damage and is better than leveraging our tier set bonus / tyrant rework which favors crit / vers for ST … one thing I wasn’t sure was how long were the fights at
I think many people miss the real reason to why Vers/Crit scales better for Demo. Here are the factors contributing to that reason.
- This xpac Locks benefit from many On-Use trinkets which scales off Vers
- Tier bonus Scales better off Vers NOT Mastery
- Bolts actually do damage again and once again Vers scales with it
The bottom line. Mastery took a back seat when they made Tyrant hit like wet noodles. And we started to spec into “Naked Tyrant” builds. Tier bonus does not benefit from Mastery. Get your Haste Soft cap and dump the rest into Vers/Crit.
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It does scale off Mastery, but only half of it (the Doomguard). Basically what’s happened is that since the Tyrant only extends 10 imps and does low damage himself, haste and mastery aren’t as valued as before. PI was so good for demo in large part because of how there was so such thing as “too much haste” during Tyrant (Imps and Tyrant have no lower limit on GCD).
Additionally, your pets only do 60-70% of your damage as opposed to almost 90% last tier, so Mastery isn’t great anymore. You get quite a bit more % damage per Mastery as opposed to Vers but it drops off fast if your pet damage goes down.
EDIT: Also, one of the best trinkets is Nymue’s, which gives a bunch of Mastery. This further devalues baseline stacking of Mastery.
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If you read Carefully, “Tier bonus Scales better off Vers NOT Mastery” Because Vers amplifies both damage output, not just one.
2nd, if you read further… Vers plays a bigger role with On use Trinkets. Hence why Vers is the prefered stat to focus on with Crit.
It depends on the build, if your running the naked tyrant build yes vers crit is what you want but haste is important as well, don’t stack stats , better to keep them kinda even. Right now my vers is in the toilet as I have played Destro and just now trying Demo.