Can you PvP in the PTR? I wonder if folks are already testing it out. I’m slowly leveling my warrior through Shadowlands and have been debating between Kyrian and Venthyr. I was pretty dead set on going Venthyr as I’m trying to not double up on Cov for each of my character. Hoping it’s also a good pick, not just aesthetically, ha.
Dude im 202 ilvl and my condems are critting maybe 10k with cd’s popped and 26% vers and MS crits for 9-12k depending. Also critting more than once in a row is rare due to low crit values.
You are making up stories.
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If this change goes through yeah Kyrian will absolutely be a waste control doesn’t matter that much when you can do one shot level damage regardless of team comp see convoke go brrrrrr early on.
Wish venth would see some prot buffs so I could justify it 
Nerfed from 25% to 18%. A similar reduction would put 50% per at 36% per (or a maximum of 172% damage on Mortal Strike, down from 200%). Given so large a nerf, it seems like Massacre Execute may be a better beneficiary than Massacre Condemn?
While Condemn is accessible an extra 20% of the enemy’s health pool (57% more broadly available than Massacre alone), that only 72% contribution from Exploiter may bite in PvE in cases where (as in unfortified, lower key M+) the upper condemn period would already have been blanketed by Bladestorm.
In PvP, though, that’s some intense burst. Riding the two opening Condemns into a 171% to 186% (Sharpen Blade) Mortal Strike with a potential further hit (not benefitting from Exploiter, but still adding to its burst) to quickly reach Massacre window with Bladestorm… A bit scary, no doubt.
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I never said it happens frequently.
Doesn’t help when trying to Condemn on a Warlock.
My ilvl is 200.
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This change will most likely not work in arenas, since exploiter was already bis for venthyr in pvp and 100% dmg buff is too insane even for blizzard.
It would go from 36% to 72% for Venthyr
He’s wasn’t 3 shot but your screenshot might be from another match. I’ve hit for 14k condems too… in BGs. I don’t think you’re lying though, you just saw things incorrectly.
That screenshot was taken at a random skirmish match. I was proving my point that i can hit 13k condemns at a 200il.
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I don’t know what to say then. I’ve never been hit with a condem more than 12k in arenas even by 220 players unless the player was an Ork or they had dark wings.
Is this exploiter buff still planned or was it reverted? I just looked at latest wow head 9.0.5 news from yesterday and I didn’t see exploiter listed on there anywhere.
Yeah for warriors!
“It’ll do 27000 damage, all that with one skill.”
1x Sharpen, 2x OP, 2x Condemn, 1x CS, 1x Avatar
that’s a 7 skill ramp up for a one big hit. What’s the issue?
Exploiter is 18% for Venthyr so it stands to reason it will be 36% x2 instead of the 50% x2 non Venthyr get.
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Mortal combo’s second hit doesn’t benefit from sharpen blade, overpower stacks, OR exploiter stacks. It’s also not guaranteed to crit if the first hit crits. You wrote out all of this without even thinking for a moment.
Warrior is the only class with essentially no utility or healing. I’m sick of people complaining that warrior is broken just because they suck, they’re getting a buff for a reason. Blizzard already plans to make us useless for the last 80% of the expansion and the next 3 expansions to boot, as is their typical plan for the warrior class. Don’t try to encourage them.
Did you really just say warrior has no utility?
We have some of the best utility in the game currently.
In fact, some of the biggest complaints about warrior currently is our insane utility built into out kit.
The only thing we dont have is insane burst, our sustain is pretty gross though, and healing.
Back on topic…
If you set it up properly going up against venthyr warriors is going to be absolutely terrifying.
Lets say you already have the overpower buff up. Condemn twice, target is around 75% stun warbreaker+avatar+sharpen, ms, now they are back in condemn range even without a crit and are sharpened. Condemn again and they are burning cd’s to live. If you crit the ms they are probably dead on the following condemn.
It is not a whole lot of setup, as you can have the op buff on you ahead of time, not to mention the exploiter debuff lasts 30 seconds so you can pretty easily keep it primed on 2 targets for swaps depending on the comp.
I will honestly be amazed if it goes live in its current ptr level. If it does though, with there stance on not nerfing lego’s except during major content patches, there are going to be a lot of forum tears when warriors start killing people in a storm bolt.
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Just because people complain doesn’t mean it’s true. Our utility is nominal at best. Meanwhile, you literally just said “Our sustain is pretty gross though, and healing.”
“and healing.”
“and healing.”
we literally have no healing. You lost all credibility from that point on. All of our utility aside from intervene comes from PVP talents, and we sacrifice a lot to take it. Not that a 1600 kiddie would know.
Keep advocating for nerfs to your own class to soothe your ego even when you’re awful. That’ll get you somewhere soon.
That was a by product of typing from a phone and not wording it properly.
I should have said we dont have self healing, or insane burst, but our sustain is pretty insane.
Also I disagree we dont have utility.
Disarm, intervine, spell reflect (hits an ally with mirror), overwatch is a small wall conduit tied to An already insane ability. Spell reflect on intervine, war banner, aoe fear that cant be dispelled, 4 second ranged stun on a short cooldown, 25% healing reduction boosted to 50% with a short cd, a 50% wall on a 12 second cd that absorbs 8k damage, aoe snare, single target perma snare… some specs would kill for half of that.
Also before you rating shame someone, post on your main. Also this warrior has been 60 for 17 days, is barely at a decent gear levl. I got 1600 with ilvl 192 and sub 30k hp and havent pushed 2’s since. We just started pushing 3’s and are learning.
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Disarm is a PVP talent. Intervene is spelled intervene. Overwatch is a pvp talent, and “spell reflect on intervene” is literally just overwatch, which I already covered. War banner is a PVP talent. AOE fear is a 90 second CD that most people won’t group for, luckily most 3s comps are spell cleaves so it doesn’t matter. the 4 second stun is a talent, without it we have no stuns. 25% healing reduction is baseline for the half of DPS that can’t one shot people, the 50% healing reduc is ANOTHER pvp talent. You completely misrepresented ignore pain and you know it. “single target perma snare” lol k. I don’t need to post on my main to spot out the handicapped. You’re a silly kiddo.
Quick edit: i’m pretty sure your phone would’ve spelled intervene correctly for you. You’re 110% disingenuous, and it’s disgusting. Anyone that goes venthyr is also going Death Sentence, which lowers our pvp talent slots from 3 to 2. We also need sharpen blade in 3s, which lowers our slots to 1. We get war banner OR disarm OR overwatch, not all 3 and you would know that if you played the game at all.
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Still waiting for you to post on your main.
You have gone to insulting typos and acting dumb when you know what I was talking about. I said mini wall on intervene with a conduit when its clear I meant safeguard.
Just because they are pvp talents does not mean they dont offer us utility.
Post on your main if you are some amazing warrior who knows everything about the class. Prove it or I call bs. Warriors are insanely strong right now.
“Mini wall on intervene with a conduit” is the one thing I didn’t call you out on, and unsurprisingly it’s the one hill you decided to die on. I agree, intervene is a mini-wall with the conduit Safeguard. Your response should be reported as spam because it’s either that or trolling, and you’re too stupid to be trolling.
I don’t owe you a damn thing. Think before you type, and stop whining when you get called out for failing to do so. We essentially have one PVP talent slot open in arenas, so stop listing off 5 different pvp talents and a legendary as our utility when realistically we have almost none of that available at any given time. if warriors were as strong as you postulate, the carry you paid wouldn’t have stopped carrying you at 1602 rating in 2s.
Moron.