There was vanilla, classic wow, season of mastery, wow hardcore, and this is now the 5th time they’ve released this game. How did you not know this already?
Do you not having reading comprehension? How did I not know that the downtime was going to be worse in SoD then it is in regular classic? What lol.
Buy water lol
Lol, knew you were wrong and don’t have an argument so deflecting. Nice.
Unless you’re in full bis your mana is no different than it was at 25 in any other iteration of the game.
Strange, vending machines usually don’t talk.
Can I get 4 stacks of water plz <3
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What a stupid thing to say. When you played the game normally you didn’t have full bis gear at level 25 because you leveled past it. Meaning now that you do you (which is now considered preraid bis) you already have much more mana then you were originally designed to have. Then on top of it with BFD gear that is all extra mana that compounds the problem.
Ok but 99% of the gear is the same. You’re upset you got too much gear?
Its not 99%. And you’re obviously just trolling at this point so next response if its a troll response just putting you on the ignore list.
At level 25 you can reasonable hope to have half of the bis gear for that level if you targeted it. Now you have all then you start farming BFD gear that is competitive for level 60 pre raid bis. And now when we drink it takes a much longer time. So yeah I am upset we were giving a lot more mana but nothing to kill the downtime.
Don’t you get it? Mages must suffer still because it’s CLASSIC. Ignore all the other balance changes and runes added to the game, mana recovery shall not change whatsover. But it’s ok that mage dps is in the gutter. That change is acceptable.
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You were given the same things every other caster that isn’t complaining got. Some extra gear, the same vendor water that’s always existed, and the same base spell list that’s been in all 5 iterations.
I’m really not trolling. Mage water was always well behind what you could buy. It never caught up until end game. Just because the problem is exacerbated now doesn’t mean they need to change the base spell list. You just need to do the same thing any good mage has always done even without bis gear, which is buy level appropriate water.
This is one of those situations where you think people are trolling because we are making fun of how entitled you feel to request changes for your convenience. Trolls just try to rile people up and don’t have a position, they just want drama. There is a difference even if you don’t want to see it.
Yeah, it does seem kind of like a useless ability, I asked a mage for water and they gave me this lvl 15 garbago and so we don’t bring mages to raid anymore.
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The better water restores an extra 360 mana after 24 seconds. Mages have over 2k mana. It helps but it’s not nearly enough to address what the OP is talking about.
The downtime still sucks, so you’re still mostly conserving mana doing half the damage of physical classes or they are stuck waiting on you while they are ready to pull the boss. It doesn’t feel good, it’s not fun, and it’s not balanced because mage damage is bad even if they had infinite mana.
I’m not going to tell people they have to agree with me, but the experience feels bad so it’s not a surprise people are asking for changes when blizzard is performing balance changes every week.
Casters are still terrible, except for maybe warlock. More buffs are needed and if you are worried about level 40 balance, there are things that can be done specifically to BFD to make it more fun for all players.
Much of the BFD gear is far better than what a player would typically have at 25. The epic staff from BFD, if it had been in vanilla WoW, would have been level 60 pre-raid BiS.
That means mages are going to have a bigger mana bar than they would have ever had before, because they have more stats (int). That means that drinking takes longer than it would have before.
TBC solved this, kinda, by having the square root of your intelligence enhance your mana regen, so characters with a lot of int (and a lot of mana) aren’t drinking for forever.
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I’m honestly not worried about 40 balance because I believe they’re going to add vampiric touch to shadow priests, who will also come online with shadow form. I’m not opposed to making BFD specific changes, whether with buffs or consumables or something else, but messing with the base spells of classes will create a cry fest like these forums have never seen. Most casters got a spell rank at 26, are they going to change that? If they’re changing spells they might as well change talents, like how most only apply to the base damage/healing. I just think having too much mana is not a problem worth making drastic changes over when it’s going to be over in like 4-5 weeks, it’s only level 25 content, and it’ll set a precedent for each following phase.
I don’t disagree. I don’t think it’s a good idea to make dramatic changes to talents and existing spells, but they added mana oils that give 15 MP5 that only work in BFD. I think they knew mana would be an issue. It’s still a blatant issue and can be addressed within the context of that raid while preserving balance in pvp and open world pve, which is mostly a solo activity.
Likewise I agree. There is an issue that warrants discussion and I was a bit dismissive of it in my earlier post. There are changes that can be made to specific content to alleviate it, I’ll leave that to the pros. Changing a class itself, like adding new spells without runes, probably isn’t the best answer though.
That means drinking to full takes longer, the drink replenishes the same amount of mana regardless.
You choose what your downtime is. This is basically bemoaning the fact that because classes are better equipped and have better stats, everything else needs to align with that persons adopted playstyle, instead of adapting to the game as it is.
I dont know why anyone is stunned by the idea that a larger mana pool takes longer to replenish, forgetting it also means you can cast more, and more powerful spells in a given combat situation. It also means you can be more efficient and get more done between downtimes.
Also, while mages get free water, this is a perk of the class, there is no expectation that this replaces purchasing or using looted water like everyone else with a blue bar.
We have no idea, in phase 2, what is going to change in regards to classes, so moaning about “being behind” is pointless.
Hi, I certainly play Mage, here’s my toon to prove it.
I buy water. The 1300ish mana water is so much better than our shrimpy 800ish mana water, and affording it is so easy with all the quest gold we get.
Give the budget water to the poor people, you know the ones who dont bother buying or making consumes.
Someone suggested adding a mana well along the way or path you’re on or even being able to cast a mana well along the way.