Vdh literally no threat generation

Classes Demon Hunter
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and you are jelly

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I’m never jealous of what appears to be related to mental health issues

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I can send you money to swap character name to Jellidan

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You don’t personally parse pink for damage, actually. Score or Points parses are a group metric, not a solo metric.

Your damage parses are typically blues to purples in dungeons for overall. When sorted for item level they’re not great. Same for your raid parses, you drop to greens and a couple of blues.

They more generally state that specific DPS can be problematic to hold threat from, such as Enhancement Shaman, which has some ludicrous burst from pack to pack. This isn’t a unique issue for Vengeance.

You’d need to point to a more specific thing in Fel Hammer to look at for what you’re saying about threat, such as a pinned remark in a Vengeance channel or something in the FAQ.

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You cannot time 11 with bad tank.

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You’re assuming people here just want to shout “bad” at you when you’ve been given plenty of helpful advice.

You said you’re having threat issues. You were told why. You’re providing excuses and reasons for an issue you’ve admitted you have.

It’s your problem at the end of the day, not ours. :dracthyr_shrug:

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I dont have one, VDH threat generation must be buffed for all VDH players.

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Again, you want to provide reasons and justifications. I’ve seen nothing in Fel Hammer about this being a general issue, but I have seen more about issues with specific specs having massive burst on-pull which is an issue most tanks deal with.

You were provided feedback. Whether or not you accept that feedback as valid criticism is up to you at the end of the day.

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this thread is crazyyyy. I am a new vdh and yea the fury warrior sometimes dies on pull but dude, learn to take criticism. You need to get off discord and just focus on the game.

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the thing is, vdh discord would give him the same advice. so again idk why people are using classcords as a shield for their bad takes and what not

i should know, i am a regular in veng side and helped quite a bit of highprofile tanks in the key scene

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Blue to purple should be decent. That parse should never have threat issue; otherwise, it’s the class’ problem, not his.
I don’t see any problem with weaving TG for empty gcds. VDH does have empty gcds and a TG is a dps boost regardless to how low dmg it is. Actually, I think he’s a better VDH than whoever here is criticising his using TG.
Not trying to be a douche, but a +6 key player analysing logs is like a elementary pupil reading a scientific paper. It doesn’t hold any value. Do you listen to a lfr raider explaining mythic raid strategies to you ?
It’s just funny that OP got jebaited so hard and turned his thread into a comedy.

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100 throw glaives in a single arakara is misplaying, Veng doesn’t have that many dead globals lol

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In Ara, there are quite a lot of situations you have to range pull like the first area, or to stand away from bosses like the final boss during the dodge and root phase, if you are dumb if you just sit duck and watch the boss for fun. It also depends on his play style, if he kites quite a bit after the burst for big pulls to recover cds then he would use TGs more than low keys where you can facetank like a chad. Reading logs, then proceeding to crictise people without knowing their reasoning sounds dumb to me.
Again, I don’t believe a low key player can understands what high key players experience, thus their analysis of logs for higher keys holds no value.

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Blue to purple is fine, but being drastically below par for one’s item level is less fine.

There’s a difference between using TG to fill globals and wasting globals on TG.

OP’s complaining about an issue that is solved by fixing gameplay issues. OP is instead opting to scream at people about how they’re perfect and nobody has the right to speak to them.

If Vengeance couldn’t effectively hold threat, it wouldn’t get brought to upper end content. It does get brought to upper end content and can effectively hold threat. OP running with competent groups and having their misplays/poor choices get shored up by decent groups doesn’t mean they’re playing correctly.

End of the stay, still nobody’s problem but OP’s.

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We asked for their reasoning and got insulted. There’s not a single reason to cast throw glaive that much and then claim you are playing perfectly

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Sure, but it’s also not really what’s happening. Let’s look at the first boss of City of Threads as an example. It forces you into a ring with it, so there should be no running out of range, and if it’s a GCD issue we should be seeing that with other DHs as well. In an 11 city, the OP used throw glaive 11 times on the first boss. Of the top 10 fel-scarred vengeance logs in City, only 4 of them used throw glaive at all on the first boss. 3 used it to pull, and the other used it once mid-combat. Keep in mind that the shortest of these fights was 22 seconds longer than the OP’s, so there was more time for empty GCDs to accumulate. If someone is using a filler ability 11x more than the people who use it the most at the top end, on the same fight, in a shorter amount of time, that usually means they are messing something up, even if it is a relatively minor thing.

Don’t get me wrong. The OP is right that vengeance has had threat issues, especially because of the bugs mentioned. I’m also by no means saying that people should have to perform at Top 10 level in order to do 11s, but if someone is arguing their “rotation is perfect” then it should be fine to look at a single target boss. The first couple replies in this thread were pretty hostile, so the OP dug in and responded in kind. Then when someone came along with actual helpful advice instead of just “lul git gud” they refused to listen to it and attacked him too. Again veng does have threat issues, but there are clearly some other issues that aren’t doing any favors and it would have been nice to see if OP would have been more receptive to advice had the first couple trolls not set things off the way they did.

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Ill press TG less for you Dance.

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if you have empty globals as veng then your doing something horrifically wrong

df s3/4 veng meta was a mistake holy moly

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You’re right, you got us.

We certainly can’t know why you press what you press when you yourself don’t know why you press what you press.

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Whatever you press allows you to time 5, whatever I press allows me to time 11.
Try again after you time at least 7.