Unless we are supposed to be kiting. The best VDH tanks I have been in runs with sure kite a lot (17+), and when I play vengeance there are just some impossible windows where I need to run around like a maniac. Tanked a TJS +18 yesterday and with everything + kitchen sink + treants that last pull is insane. (400+ ilvl 2 set). Other dungeons are worse.
So if we are meant to kite + have another party member with a tanking ability, VDH is working as intended. If not, we could really use that 10%.
We got nerfed because of Prot warriors pulling entire M0 dungeons and higher. I think we were fine before they nerfed our self healing and DR.
Id like these things back to, I wont tank high
keys in our current state, way too stressful.
I reckon the issue is blizz wants to nerf havoc and theyre too lazy to only nerf havoc, so we get screwed as well. Charred warblades got nerfed, same with the hunt despite doing almost none of our healing.
We definitely need a buff defensively. Ive seen blood dks tank far more than I can.
Ya we cant just sit and soak damage like warriors and dks can. They need to reverse VDH nerfs we were fine as we were…mostly.
Edit: Id also like to have blur as well.
I just got into mythics on my DH and compared to my DK he feels like wet tissue paper. I really was hoping they’d feel tanky this expansion like they looked like they were going to be, but man was I wrong. On the other hand, I do pretty good AOE damage compared to my DK, but that and movement is the only thing DH seems to have going for it.
Vdh might need some borrowed power trinkets like DoS or Codex for some mitigation. Maybe check out soul barrier and fiery build instead of straight dps spirit bomb builds.
I haven’t done any high keys yet but I can see the difference in the two sides of the trees. Sigil build might be good too for extra dps and mitigation with extended silences and passive healing from sigil of fire.
so i wonder when fiery brand spreads if its 40% also spreads? soul barrier+ fiery brand with frailty could be worth looking into
This is the build I do, with double tanking trinkets. Soul Barrier is bad though, I need percentage mitigation (armor, DR), not more heals / barriers. Or I could just find a warrior to tank for me and play havoc. It seems like that is the direction they want things to go.
your in luck the firey brand build is bis for defensive and offensive.
Thoughts on Treemouth’s Festering Splinter?
200k absorb shield, 50% damage reduction every 2 min…I just used it, albeit on a +11, but it seemed like I felt a lot more tanky than usual.
So it is a tanky build for m+? I will try it out
soul barrier is just bad, anything will make you feel more tnaky on a 11. as long as people know what theyre doing, you will feel tanky in any talent build, even tho y ou are underperforming
No i meant the Fiery brand build, I have been curious about it. On paper it makes sense in m+ spreading 40% DR to each mob.
Combined with frailty should be less squish.
VDH is supposed to kite. The kit makes this very clear
Then why does no top dh run it?
To get fiery, you have to give up on cheat death and demon spike cdr. These 2 are too crucial. Plus, You cant control how fiery brand spread, its spreading speed is too slow to deal with mechanics, imo
Yup, lets kite all those packs that are 1/2 ranged. All those mobs that have charges. All the mobs that need melee to interrupt. Let’s kite on a class where our mitigation relies on building up souls to pop on enemies that requires us to be in melee range. Use your head.
The fiery brand build with Revel in Pain absorb combined with Soulmonger absorbs is strong.
Add to that a trinket and/or ring with absorbs (plenty of those around) and voila- tanky!
is this viable in raid content?
You can give up on cheat death. You get two fiery brands for something that should rarely happen, you get clobbered.
I think more need to test sigils build with fiery brand. Give up spirit bomb and cheat death. My number 2 total damage skill is elysian decree. My third is fire sigil and that applies frailty. So does soul cleave.
Sigil of silence is amazing. More of them equals less magic damage. Im going to start pushing keys this week so I’ll know more.