With VT being the foundational spell for shadow priest, why is it that dispelling this does not provide damage like it used to? Dispelling VT makes the dispeller flee in horror, without a damage consequence now. Dispelling VT does not feel risky in the least and I feel that this should be addressed.
However, other classes who want dispell protection have it. Ele shaman has the knock up and damage. Aff lock has the silence and HUGE damage on dispell. Imo, both of these classes are better at dealing damage than SP and still have better dispell protection.
It mainly has to do with Mind Games. You either eat the healing debuff or you dispel yourself and take the fear. If you took massive damage instead it’d be like Russian roulette. A lose-lose scenario you can’t counter.
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Where with UA and lava shock its always lose lose ?
Whats a crappy 3 second fear that can be broken? Answer: nothing its trash
I disagree entirely, MG has only been in the game for a few years whereas VT has not had damage on dispel protection for quite a while. Additionally, I feel like a healer would dispel MG and take the fear all day. Its really not a big deal, 3 second fear is definitely not enough time to burn a trinket / big cooldown.
You’re acting like shadow is in a bad spot right now.
Exactly right - initially, ele shamans didnt have both the knockup AND damage but that was added recently. I am not seeing the disconnect here. Ele shamans can insta cast multi flame shock targets. Flame shock is not hard to maintain. As shadow, I cannot always freely apply VT (outside damnation).
Shadow is literally the best PvP spec in the game right now. Just imagine having a complaint with anything about it.
Shadow always does well at the beginning of an expac - I agree that they are fine right now. You’re acting like you wouldn’t be glad about it if they returned the original dispel protection that VT had and should have again.
No because it would mean we would get nerfed elsewhere.
Sorry but no thats not how it works, the damage would get scaled down. they wouldnt just randomly nerf another unrelated area. Its interesting how tyou say that this would create an issue when in other posts you’ve made, you state that shadow doesnt do enough dmg./lol
I’m talking about shadows entire toolkit. Blizz is also against things that don’t have any counter play to it.
Are you new to the game?
Please link a single post I have said shadow doesn’t have damage?
Vampiric Touch used to be an ability that was used to return mana from damage.
Mana seems to only be important for healers in modern times.
Although they removed a lot of mana drain abilities, I think it would still be cool to grant a slight mana burn effect when dispelling Vampiric Touch. Enough where it’s not absurdly OP but enough to be more of a deterrent to not dispel as it should cost less mana to heal than to dispel.
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Maybe instead or in addition, dispelling VT grants the Shadow Priest a buff that allows instant cast of VT for # of seconds.
This would make reapplication of VT a non issue. Though that would make Unfurling Darkness even more of a questionable talent to spend a point into.
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Even this idea is great, I almost like this more than damage on dispel. Just SOMETHING to allow us to maintain dots and be worth thinking about; whereas right now - nobody is threatened by VT’s dispel fear. If it was added as a pvp talent (similar to how ele initially was), that’d be perfect even.
I think a big part of the issue is also that UA dispelling appears to be punished right now by swift and uncaring death.
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UA’s dispel punish is around 75k ish in honor gear atm - itll likely go up as gear progresses through the season. I wouldnt even mind like a 20k / 30k hit on VT dispel. Anything to make dispelling VT a thought rather than auto dispel. Dude above mentioned a mana burn effect on it which i think would be very cool too, loved his idea.
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