So we have been running double spriest in our m+ group and we both decided that VE is one of the least satisfying cds of any we have used in game.
I was thinking it’s on the gcd and had no initial active effect like a lot of other spells that remain on the gcd.
I would personally like to see the spell reworked a little bit, I have a few things I thought up in the shower this morning.
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Reduce the effectiveness of the healing received by the group to like 25% and reduce the duration of VE to 10 seconds but give it a component on activation that gives 5% max hp to all party members that decays over time. You could even make it were that health is stolen from the mobs within a certain range of your target the more mobs the higher the % up to 5.
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Make it a judgement of light effect were it is attached to a specific mob for its duration and players who attack that mob are healed for again a nerfed healing and duration amount. You could also increase the CD and maybe make it work as a free DP.
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Just remove it from the GCD and leave it as is, I don’t think a nerf would be necessary in this option.
Obviously these probably aren’t completely balanced but even in weaker forms these alternatives would make the button more fun.
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Its fine as is especially at the DPS shadow is currently outputting. Its more of a oh crap moment as opposed to being used all the time.
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Vamp embrace is pretty good what do you mean?
Personally, I’d like to see 1 change to it - while not actively on cooldown, let it give the priest 5-10% leech.
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Vampiric Embrace
Instant 2 min cooldown
Requires Priest (Shadow)
Requires level 25
Fills you with the embrace of Shadow energy for 15 sec, causing you to heal a nearby ally for 85% of any single-target Shadow spell damage you deal.
I figured I would link the spell so I could say that I know it’s not a bad spell. I’m more interested in it turning back into the raid cd that it used to be much like commanding shout from warriors.
It’s a perfectly fine ability for solo or playing with another person but the more ppl in the group the weaker it is.
It’s also made sort of redundant to an extent with desperate prayer coming back.
How is it redundant with desperate prayer when they do 2 totally different things?
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The biggest issues with vampiric embrace are that.
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Blizz removed the interaction with Void Eruption so there’s no more big burst heal in m+
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The heal has no smart healing, and ticks routinely go on players at 95% hp over those at 10% etc.
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It’s a reactive ability that has zero scaling with key level, group size, or the amount of damage being taken, unlike darkness or AMZ which are stronger the more damage is being done to your group or the more people in them.
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It’s a heal, not an absorb or mitigation. Heals suck as raid cooldowns because they require the damage / problem to already happen before they’re any use. Something that reduced that hit, or better yet allowed the group to avoid the situation completely, would be considerably better.
It’s a poorly scaling, unpredictable, unreliable, trickle of mediocre HPS that gets worse as your group gets bigger. It’s the opposite of what anyone should want spec utility to be. It’s garbage.
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I have said this before but I would really love for it to go back to being a passive leech. Around %10 to %15. I don’t understand how hunters who have pets to tank for them get a passive leech with many other classes but the first passive leech class (from what I can remember) does not.
they can even remove healing from vampiric touch in compensation.
Im usually right under the healers in the raid aside from DH tanks, solely due to vamp. Pop it, when you have all 3 dots rolling, into mind blast, torrent, mindgames…and its actually a really potent off heal.
i feel like these changes would make vampiric embrace much more uselss but i do think it could use a gcd removal
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I don’t understand how a priest levels and quests and then says vampiric embrace isn’t good.
I can heal through a whole bunch of mobs if I spread dots and pop VE. It’s really nice
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Because compared to other dps utility cooldowns it’s not good? It’s ok for solo play but when content is harder or there are more people involved it just falls behind so fast.
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If they did anything, I would love for them to take it off the GCD.
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It needs to be made more reliable/consistent.
If you need it in a pinch and you have neither Voidform nor Void Torrent, it doesn’t do much. My biggest complaint is that I take a lot of damage, use it, and then die 4-5 seconds later because I’m not in a burst window.
It exists to help your healers without having to stop damage, and is most potent during a burst phase. Could stand to be off the GCD though, and maybe a reduced cooldown baseline, or an increased duration.
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Most overpowered class in the game asking for a buff. Cute
how is shadow overpowered? id argue theyre the best designed and balanced spec blizzard has produced in a long time.
I wasn’t aware that these were the fire mage or sub rogue forums.