"Upgrading" Loot murders this game

Upgradeable gear isn’t borrowed powers. But I’m also not someone who ever had any issues with borrowed powers to begin with, so you are arguing with the wrong person about this.

You mean the number of people so small that they for all intents and purposes doesn’t exist? Yeah. Not to mention that regardless of whether people, out of sheer stubbornness or to act the role of a contrarian, refuse to engage with a system doesn’t make the system itself worse. It just demonstrates said person to be boneheaded and stubborn.

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It literally is. Just like in Legion, only the content you are required to do is more restrictive. In Legion someone at the bottom would still keep getting upgrades without doing content they didn’t want to do.

Literally borrowed power.

I guess daddy blizzard needs you guys to cover for him.

LOL. Stop making up your own definition of borrowed power then. Farming up an infinite number of upgrades in legion just by logging in bothered the heck out of you, but farming up an infinite number of upgrades in this expansion is great, because you can buy tokens to cover the cost of enchanting services.

Same thing, even if you want to make up your own definition of borrowed power so you can claim it’s not like Legion.

Nope.

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I already defined borrowed power.
You making up your own definition doesn’t make gear upgrades borrowed power.

It’s literally expansion exclusive powers, abilities, and gear.

IE covenant conduits. Legion artifacts. BFA corrupted gear.

Simply having more avenues to gear and upgrade it does not make it borrowed power… idk where you got this idea.

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Remember when you could Run a dungeon or raid and get a piece of loot that was an upgrade and then you could equip the loot? Remember when WoW wasn’t a pos trash game that punishes it’s players and tries to rip them off?

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You still can?
The difference is now, everything is potentially an upgrade since you can upgrade it’s ilvl.

Idk where you were going with this at all lol.

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LOL. You made up your own definition, which somehow didn’t involve keeping it. so they’re letting YOU keep it? Just you? And it feels good, doesn’t it, knowing that unlike in Legion, casuals won’t be able to upgrade their gear just by playing the game.

I don’t see why “more ways to get the exact same gear and then shell out and grind much harder content to get hundreds of unnoticeably small upgrades” is not borrowed power.

They really need you to try to deny it’s borrowed power, don’t they?

Indeed. God-King Ion himself said it was their goal for players to get a piece of gear, recognize immediately that it was an upgrade, and feel like they won the lottery.

Weeks or months later. That’s the opposite of what Ion told us, that we could get a piece of gear, see immediately that it was an upgrade, and equip it without taking any time to sim or reforge it.

And then there are people who take pride in how much of their time they allow to be wasted.

I didn’t. That’s been the communities definition of borrowed power since it came to be lol.

I can find several sources, can you even find one to back up your claim?

"Basically expansion-specific items or powers that get removed once the expansion is over.

“Legion artifacts, corruptions, and essences and traits are the best examples”

“Power that your character borrows for some reason and after some time it goes away. Corruption is borrowed power, for example. 99% of azerite power, covenant abilities(i doubt they’ll stay after SL).”

That’s literally just more avenues to gear lol.
Nothing more.

You don’t have some magical sword that you power up throughout the xpac and it goes away.
That’s literally borrowed power.
It’s called “BORROWED” for a reason.

Gear is replaced quite quickly. You don’t BORROW them for the xpac.

I mean you still can. It’s players who decide to do all those things.

How is your time being wasted by having more options?

Seems like your time is being respected since you can do whatever you want to get more or less the same gear.

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We’ve always had borrowed power, but not to the broken extent it was in BFA and SL.

Is it not okay to say they often make bad moves based on listening to whiners?

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People wanted deterministic gearing.

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I would prefer just getting rid of valor stones.

Two currencies is silly. I don’t see what a second currency like valor stones bring when you need crests.

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I don’t mind valorstones.

I hate the fact that the cap is 2k and they aren’t boa.

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Is anyone actually upgrading anything below hero track though and if so why?

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I actually really like the loot upgrades. It allows lower tier gear to be useful. The only thing I don’t like is how the currency needed to upgrade them is capped, just let me upgrade things if I want who cares if some people will no life 8s and upgrade all their gear, WHO CARES?

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Full time delvers do. People gearing up for keys. Valorstones are easy to get and thr upgrade mats are as well. So why not?

Some lfr pieces are better than normal/heroic pieces because of what it is. Princess trinket being one.

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The currency cap is the only way to balance the system because otherwise M+ just blows every other source of gearing out the water since it can be be done infinitely.

This current system exists purely because you can’t balance an uncapped system like M+ against a capped system like Raids or PvP.

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Yeah I can see that. But in that case wouldn’t those players never have to worry about the higher tiers as they are not doing the content to reward them that stuff to begin with? Like for me I do my 10 keys and mythic raid so anything below hero track is non existent to me. So wouldn’t a full time delve player or lfr/normal raider the myth track is non existent for them?

There’s no reason to farm it all. You farm the gear from the content you want to do. You just happen to get free giant upgrades if you only do lower the content.