I’m noticing that every single crafting order not a single player provides any resources.
There are orders going out consistently for Frostfire Alloy : Which cost 180gold, they’re providing no resources and only 4silver.
Then there are weapons which they provide no resources for. And only the shadowflame essence. The resources cost substantially more gold than the gold tip provided.
Why are people able to list orders they don’t have anything for? I’m not going to craft something that costs 53,000 gold and make 950 gold on it. Using my own resources.
This system is extremely flawed and tbh, why do alt characters get crafting priority over main characters. I can’t even make any gold off of my professions because they’re all like this. 200 gold to craft a Khaz’gorite sickle. The Khaz’gorite alone costs more than the tip by quite a lot of gold.
This is just abusing the system and provides nothing to the economy. I’m not on a faction that has any access to trade chat so I can’t advertise either.
There’s too many oversights about this new system. Horde/Alliance should share a trade chat because we’re working together now. And crafting orders should be at least 3/4 items required. Not 1 and 1silver tip.
an option to ignore orders where net tip < AH cost of missing ingredients
an option to ignore orders that fail to meet your maximum net loss / minimum net profit threshold, a slightly more flexible variant of the first option
The issue is. I’m going to run down the list of the crafting orders I have here.
Ancient Ceremonial Trident - 5gold ( AH 280 gold )
Frostfire Alloy - 12 silver ( AH 496 gold per )
Infurious Alloy - 50 gold ( AH 198 gold per)
Primal Molten Alloy - 10 gold ( AH 459 gold per
Shadowed Alloy - 100 gold ( AH 5,170 gold per - THIS IS INSANE)
Shadowed Belt Clasp - 1000 gold ( AH 16,400 gold )
Please justify this?
None of these provide resources. Requiring me to use my own. Auction House value? Not a single one of these are in any way profitable. There was 1 order I did this entire week that made me any profit.
How can you do an order if not a single one of them are worth doing? The system is broken. It needs to be fixed because it’s a useless system. I might as well be flying outside Org selling copper ores.
I just ignore those orders, and if there is an obnoxious poster (there are some JC ones that provide no mats and like 1g tip for Unstable Elementium x20 times) I’ll just straight up put the person posting it on ignore.
Mild annoyance, that could be fixed with perhaps a filter to hide all orders missing materials or something like that.
I’ve actually had the best luck with direct contact via trade chat for people looking for crafting services, and getting personal orders sent.
No need to justify anything, just dont do them. What is the big deal with just not doing them?
Almost every day I find really good ones, missing only few gold worth of mats.
Or those which only miss mettle and some people dont know what to do with it anyway.
Also, those who give 1st craft bonus and never been ordered, but give half mats, more than welcome.
Idk how to say this without sounding rude. You sound like the person whose actively posting these things.
There’s a lot wrong with having a system that’s filled with “scam” posts. Sure you can ignore them, but why do I have to ignore them in the first place. It shouldn’t be a thing. What’s the purpose in having a system that doesn’t benefit the people trying to use it. Only the people trying to cheat it?
Blizzard opened up public crafting orders to no provided materials to try to address significant issues of simply not enough crafting orders. In some ways it seems like they succeeded even though there are scammers trying to take advantage of the change. Your server will dictate how many scammers you have to deal with. But Blizzard also provided you some basic tools to deal with them. Sorting the crafting orders page so all of the ‘None’ are on the bottom is one way. Ignoring the players that are obviously and regularly placing orders without mats is another.
You’ve stated your opinion that Blizzard should go back to how it was originally where people had to provide all materials for public orders, fine. How do you address the issue that caused this change to begin with? Because going back to the original requirements will result in just less orders for all.
And for your final point, people will try to figure out how to take advantage of, or scam other people through, any system put out there. It doesn’t matter if you and I find it abhorrent behavior, they will do it for reasons that make sense to them. If you don’t want to deal with scams, figure out how to program a system that can’t be abused.
Well the thing is, these orders aren’t being made now as is. People aren’t doing orders unless they’re either provided resources or mostly provided and still turn a net profit. The only change will be that the orders being put in there are the ones we’re rarely seeing today.
Reverting the change is only going to remove the scam orders and bring back the ones that were full. The ones we look out for. They tried this out, and now it’s flooded with people providing 0 resources. Really it wont make much difference, sure out crafting orders will be empty. But they’re basically empty as is seeing as there are no orders being done.
If they don’t provide the AH price of the mats plus a tip then don’t make it - pretty simple.
The reason mats need not be supplied via the interface is for crafting for alts, guildmates and friends. These are usually in private orders.
A solution might be for public orders to require mats and private orders to be whatever - though this isn’t a perfect solution either - for example some of the mats might be really cheap and easier for the crafter to provide.
Yes, Im actively posting this things since there is another side of the medal.
No mats or half mats orders have their purpose and are not for max level crafter wanting huge profit.
I agree with you many of those are trying to scam people, but it is on crafter to decide.
The problem with not having a filter to remove orders that don’t turn a profit or at least a net loss limit is that you have to click through every single one of them from different posters to find out which ones may be worth doing, which is ridiculously time-consuming when there are dozens of them to sift through.
If you are talking about Public orders, ie the 20x Unstable Elementium for example, I have done research into this.
These are gold farming guilds.
They are making alts, like each member has like 5 alts for each profession.
They are doing it for the weekly quest, public order for 20-80 of one item with only part of the mats using a modified TSM addon (since TSM doesn’t work very well or intuitively with the new Crafting Order system)
Then they get on each alt that they have mailing processes for to stock up their mats, and pick the first public crafting order for that item to get their 2-3 crafting orders done for the quest rather than making 2-3 personal orders for each alt.
These are the same guys where you go to the Jewel Crafting work bench and see two to 5 characters standing around it prospecting for 4-8 hours.
Just ignore them and look for ones with all mats.
I’m getting so sick of noticing people that sell the same crafted stuff I do all day on the Auction House - also posting for those items as public orders with only the cheapest materials. This one person constantly posts bag orders. It costs 3k gold to craft, they offer 1.2k gold no mats. And they must get desperate people filling them because they’re consistently able to post on the Auction House and at lower prices than I am if they don’t want to do a cancel scan war with me.
It’s incredibly frustrating because I don’t want to be one of those scum bags requesting multiple public orders for terrible commissions. But I would have to if I want to compete.
On my server it generated no new worthwhile work orders just a load of scammers looking to rip people off. The sad thing is that it is clearly working as their worthless jobs do get fulfilled.
Except now the only orders are those that aren’t worth doing most of the time. Blizzard over corrected with this move, and the result is more or less the same: most of the public crafting orders that do get posted go unfulfilled because it’s simply not worth our time.
It’s especially frustrating for enchanters, as most of the crest work orders that come through on my server are missing Dracothysts and are only offering a 50-100g tip, something that could have been avoided if Dracothyst was made soulbound to begin with since customers still have to supply BoP mats (not to mention give alchemists a reason to check work orders).
Not true, there are valid orders with no mats.
I just did 4 LW orders offering 3k comission each and no mats. Bought mats of AH for 1.8k each and 3 resource proc worth 400g.
3 crests orders, no mats, wealthy comission, net profit 2.6k gold.
1 scribe order, no mats, 700g profit after buying mats.
Its not really hard to pay attention which ones are profitable.