It was a good idea overall just incorrectly implemented. It’s nice to have diversity in a spec that can completely change playstyle based on talent picks.
Kind of like Hpal being viable as both a stand back in safety build, or playing melee wings to push into the fray. I would like to have more impactful talents that made it possible to play the same spec differently then another player, and not just cookie cutter default builds.
this man got the priorities straight.
Idk how mage doesnt have 3 viable specs
idk. i wish there were some brewmaster buffs in there also. But I can enjoy all the favorite specs at once i guess 
i wish people who say things like this would understand that we have it now in live hpriest and everybody despises it
yeah you do don’t you
MW does literally no pve dmg, so maybe they were trying to throw them a bone?
No idea how it makes sense though…all the other healers can do almost max dmg from ranged in pve when needed…
i think mw are the worst healer in mythic plus
m+ almost assuredly. mid tier healers in m+ care about overall dps and padding aoe dps on easy packs shores it up super well
Whats funny is this is pve tuning, and ret is among the bottom dps of pve since ever actually, and they’re still not buffed
Unholy stocks are uuuuup
Ret slaps rn in PvE. The ret in my guild is usually top 5 and if it’s a aoe fight he’s 1-2. It’s just rare to see it played well.
No my dude, even the main ret in world first race are benched in echo and limit is forced to play another class.
If a ret is outdpsing your group, your group is just badly geared or bad :s
Well duh, it’s garbage from a world first mythic raiding stand point. Esp since the “out of place melee slot” is completely filled right now with enhance shamans, dks, and warriors. If enhance wasn’t broken you’d see more rets.
you love to see it
arms is now playable again!!!
I mean enhance, dks and warriors all have way better damage and bring something strong on the table.
Ret has poor dps and bring nothing utility wise to a group.
yeah man just like how dh needs buffs because nobody played it in awc
You’re underestimating rets damage for aoe and things like dreadlords. The class is perfect for those fights and does insane burst aoe damage. You also have bops, freedoms, sacs and an immunity for soaks. It’s just a niche spec, which sucks, but it doesn’t make it bad. Like I said too, it doesn’t help that enhance, fdk, and fury warriors are just completely broken and need nerfs.
It just sucks that when you look at the ret kit there’s nothing making you say: oh wow we need that!
You look at DK with AMZ, War with Rally or Enhance with Windfury thats actually buffing their warriors dam.
And then you look at ret and then you’re like: meh. Hunter bring immunity on lower cds and better damage, same for mage, why bring you.
“The class I play is bad your class is OP”
Stop, ret is good.
that was just things for pve, ret in 3s is good yeah, in pve its average
No its good in PVE too quit crying.