Upcoming Changes to the Ashran, Isle of Conquest, and Wintergrasp Epic Battlegrounds

Use the demos and shoot them .

Jump off the tower , glide and blow all your CD’s on a glavie.

You don’t need rogues or druids .

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new WG Meta

Attackers go to BT, Defenders go to SR. Wait 5 mins at BT, start attacking from west side.

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While it’s great that now if all three towers are destroyed the game will be over 9 minutes faster, I feel like these changes will nerf offense even further. Offense seems to rarely defend their stuff. Defense can just immediately send 1-2 stealthers to eastspark and westspark and now also be able to build vehicles without any HKs. Catapults of course take a lot longer to destroy buildings than demos, but it can be done.

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I personally would like more Southshore/Tarren Hill BGs.

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I also request a recall toy for IOC similar to the one we have for AV. Give us a chance to defend the commander and turn game around .

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  • Glaive Thrower health has been increased by 40%.

Their range needs to be reduced then.

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Please consider enforcing more strict healer parity in Ashran as well. The BG boils down to one large teamfight and when one side has considerably more healers than the other, the match tends to be a nonstarter.

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But they die with just a few dots on them.

Great changes on WG!

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Wintergrasp changes are good. The corporal change is by far the most needed. Attackers having both BT and SR means defenders have to split up at the beginning so the attackers are at an advantage if they can get enough defenders to split.

Demolisher boulder damage to walls needs to change back. Hopefully it will be adjusted.

There is no (good) counter play to the defenders stacking demos inside the wall and raining hell on attackers who have to be right up against the wall.

If the boulders did wall damage again it forces defenders out of the castle to deal with them, and rewards attackers killing castle cannons.

— Ashran changes are good. I wonder if they’ve changed anything else there, specifically the cheese alliance can do to win in less than three minutes.

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Ashran:

Mages need to be balanced, and for that to happen Jeron needs to lose his knockback, or Rylai needs to get one. Jeron is a LOT more dangerous and is a lot easier to defend because of it.

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  1. Glaives are only good at the beginning of an expansion because players lack and/or don’t have access to high level gear to more or less instantly delete them

  2. When you control hanger, there isn’t really a counter to it other than capping it (can’t kill the airship, can’t kill the players on it in the cannons, can’t destroy the cannons on the airships, etc…)

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it’s random groups, but not LFR difficulty. IMO the difficulty is between a normal to heroic raid in terms of situational awareness and group cohesion needed to win.

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Is that what it says? I only just skimmed thru it last night but I had assumed the effect had been removed. The blue post is unclear/vague.

It’s a shame epic bgs almost never pop in PTR, so someone could get in there and confirm or deny these changes.

The last time I tried queuing for a bg in PTR was a few months ago - was in queue for like 42 minutes and when I finally got a pop it was a losing/in-progress Deepwind Gorge :man_facepalming:

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Lowering Mage damage doesn’t really even out Ashran as it should, considering the Alliance mage is still very weak, while the Horde mage can knockback the entire raid and solo wipe them (assuming they don’t know where to stand). Removing Jeron’s knockback is 100% necessary if you plan on addressing Ashran in a meaningful way.

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What about the horde mage that knocks you half way across the map?

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If a blue could explain to me why we have to have so many vehicles in Wintergrasp. To me, it feels like Its vehicle vs player and 10 out of 10 times the vehicles gonna win that battle.

I think make it, so each side could have up to 10 vehicles up at one time make it, so players have to defend vehicles. That way it would be more player versus player that’s what PVP stands for right.

P.s Or give Me 2 blacklist back.

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Not really an Epic Battleground piece of feedback but it would be a good quality of life change to add a vendor for pots/feasts/gliders and a Mark of Honor conversion (don’t care if it’s like 5000 honor for 3 marks) to Oribos.

It’s very frustrating to either hope you get a battleground with a vendor inside (all of them should have one IMO) or have to travel all the way back to Oribos or Dalaran to buy items each time you need to restock.

Mass polymorph was a godsend - I would use it on my priest and rogue to solo Rylai as a free heal. Trust me, taking it away was a huge boon to her

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Not nearly enough to make people instantly leave WG, and why may trashran longer?

Knockback needed to be removed
Gigantic unfair to alliance

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