10/23/2018 03:09 PMPosted by
Tødo
Like the title says, I'm done. Have idk, 10 days or something. And its due to Pathfinder. For me its primarily pathfinder remaining a requirement to fly in outdated content. But also I find it to be extremely controlling on blizzs part to lock flying behind such a ridiculous time gate in current content as well as the ridiculous rep gate.
Sorry Blizz, but if people choose to not do content, its most likely because they dont enjoy that content. Forcing them to do it is only going to run them off and gain their resentment. I had plenty of other things I enjoyed doing in this game.. lack of flying in old and new content really killed it for me though. I have no desire to play anymore because of it. My suggestion to you is, let people play the game how they want to play it like it used to be in MoP and prior. If you want people to play your content... I think its fairly obvious you need to make better content to inspire that. I dont pay a monthy fee to have access to the ability to do digital daily chores. I would pay to have fun. This game is no longer fun to me because of Pathfinder.
I realize many like PF due to it saving gold. Thats fine. Blizz could easily offer a license system along side PF for those that want to opt out or at least gain a some QoL improvement to help them get PF.
Im also annoyed at the horrid communication from Blizz. They have highly active forums here. The same feedback is regurgitated over and over.. whether it be about Pathfinder, Azerite Power, Titanforging, ilvl scaling etc.. yet that feedback is ignored. CM's are here and they completely ignore anything that has to do with feedback like this and instead go talk about donuts, puppies, orc puns, use of the word "literally".. and when they do respond to feedback its to further discount feedback and validate their behaviour.
This game, the devs, the ways its handled, in no way deserves my support or effort anymore.
See you guys.
MAKE WOW GREAT AGAIN!!! BRING BACK FLYING WITHOUT ALL THIS GRINDING
Trump 20/20
10/25/2018 10:39 AMPosted by
Tarc
In others words, players that actually enjoy the game, and...while certainly not seeing perfection in everything Blizzard does...are generally pretty good with the direction of the game.
See, that's really what the stick up the tookus is for the handful of whiners, criers, and unsubbers; it's not the game itself and it's perceived shortcomings that sparks their QQ Ragefests. No.
What it is, is the fact that people who don't agree with them exist. The fact that all these happy subscribers don't see things exactly as they do. The fact that many people still like playing World of Warcraft.
Still play it, still blog about it, still stream it...hell, that still do fan art. everything enrages the man-children to no end. Because they're convinced that they are absolutely right, and most of us, hell, it's not even that we disagree, it's that we chuckle...or ridicule them like I'm doing right now...pat them on their heads, and merrily login and get back to playing.
People like you utterly lack the ability to deal with it. This is why you "quit", yet stay, resting on the proverbial "MUH SUBS" that somehow magically seem to never expire.
Top, top, tippy-top lulz.
I deal with it just fine, and the reason people like ME are here is because we still tolerate the game, we still even like SOME aspects of it. We want the game to be fun and therefore, complain about the parts that are not fun. Your mindset is what is eventually going to cause this game to die. For every player on the forums complaining there are probably 3 that quit the game and don't say anything.
People that mythic raid have a notoriously hard time criticizing the game. They are so invested in their team/guild. They happily do the boring content to get back to raiding (which is fun, I admit). The game has become about blitzing through grinds so you can be RELIEVED you completed it so you can get back to raiding.
The game used to be much more free in what you could do for fun. Want to grind old raids? Go Ahead!, Want to login and play some PVP? Go Ahead! Want to do pet battles for 3 hours?! Go Ahead! Now it's "Have I done my !@#$ing god awful boring as crap Emissary chest yet today?" I probably should. "Have I slogged through Island Expeditions to hit my weekly cap? Probably should even though they are terrible. "Have i grinded enough rep to hit Pathfinder yet?"
All of those boring and unnecessary grinds keep players from doing what is fun. You do the grinds because you like to raid, a ton (and growing daily) would rather just play something else than do CHORES that are unfun to advance their character a micrometer.
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There are at least 5 people in my small guild that have not purchased BFA yet. Ive talked to several more who are coming back after a long hiatus who are catching up on older content before they purchase BFA as well.
Realmpop is not accurate and should be judged accordingly.
Regarding the hardcore wow community: my guild is quite casual with an average of 50 members who enjoy all aspects of WoW and we are having a ton of fun. We are very far from hardcore. Our guild grows with more like minded individuals each day.
Im not trying to invalidate what you wrote, just trying to show you a different perspective.
Realmpop is absolutely a completely valid metric to how healthy the game is. Players at max level are active players. Your friends who haven't bought BFA yet, or surmising that some people are "coming back after a hiatus" how is that not a completely anecdotal experience? Realmpop simply accounts for most players in the game currently. The situation is a bit better worldwide, as there are a total of about 4.5M 120 characters between the EU and NA, being very generous to Blizzard, lets cut those in half which accounts for alts so about 2.3M subs in EU/NA and what would think is fair for Oceanic/Asia? Another 3M? The game is still smaller than it ever has been in the midst of the most poorly received start of an expansion ever.
They are probably HEMORRHAGING subs right now. Let's be real.
Realmpop is not an accurate metric system to compare to active subs for wow. It solely accounts for level 120 toons. It doesnt count people who have not bought bfa yet or those who did but havent finished leveling their toons. We do not know the numbers of the last few expansions nor do we know the exact number of this expansion. If you wanna follow the hype "subs are hemorrhaging", by all means help yourself, but do not claim a tiny bit of info from Realmpop as fact.
Also, I'm never going to get Pathfinder in BFA due to the stupid turtle quests being a requirement. If I wanted to do a maze or a memory game, I would pay a subscription fee to Highlights magazine, not WoW.
It's such a terrible idea to bind something so tedious to an achievement necessary to earn flight.
10/25/2018 11:22 AMPosted by
Vacs
Also, I'm never going to get Pathfinder in BFA due to the stupid turtle quests being a requirement. If I wanted to do a maze or a memory game, I would pay a subscription fee to Highlights magazine, not WoW.
It's such a terrible idea to bind something so tedious to an achievement necessary to earn flight.
Tedious to bind anything but cosmetic items to rep grinds, stupid even. Why can't a player be similarly "rewarded" for grinding the rep with a mount then with something as important as flying? Why is gear tied, to rep why is the main necklace/AP system tied to rep? Why am I playing a game that shoves chores in my face that aren't fun? Oh wait I'm not. WIthout raiding this game is terrible and boring.
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, you're level 116 go ahead, quit the game because you're too lazy to grind a video game. Wont matter to us
10/25/2018 10:29 AMPosted by
Vacs
Since I won't ever do the Pathfinders for old content, I'll end up not leveling those professions, resulting in less content available to me due to a high barrier of entry for something that isn't relevant to modern WoW.
You choosing not to do content is not the same as Blizzard preventing you from doing that content.
10/25/2018 11:35 AMPosted by
Snusnue
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, you're level 116 go ahead, quit the game because you're too lazy to grind a video game. Wont matter to us
Why is being "lazy" even a thing. This is a !@#$ing video game. And it's not like other games, there is no "skill" involved with grinding reps, it's just time-gated nonsense to keep you on the wheel. Please stop.
10/25/2018 10:29 AMPosted by
Vacs
Since I won't ever do the Pathfinders for old content, I'll end up not leveling those professions, resulting in less content available to me due to a high barrier of entry for something that isn't relevant to modern WoW.
You choosing not to do content is not the same as Blizzard preventing you from doing that content.
Not saying I'm being prevented, but rather "discouraged" from messing with it.
Dropping the Pathfinder requirement for old content would improve my QoL, and ultimately I would spend more time playing the game. This translates into subscription dollars.
It just isn't very casual-friendly.
10/25/2018 11:35 AMPosted by
Snusnue
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, you're level 116 go ahead, quit the game because you're too lazy to grind a video game. Wont matter to us
Oh great and glorius Mr. 120, in all of your leetness, did you happen to wonder why Im still setting at 116?
Can't, they don't post em.
They are leaving because of SLOW, time gated content. They are leaving to games where it does not take months of "character building" suffering to accomplish anything.
We keep telling you that but the Vanilla players refuse to believe it. They think they left because they didn't suffer enough. They still believe everybody wants to wear their hairshirt.
10/25/2018 11:35 AMPosted by
Snusnue
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH, you're level 116 go ahead, quit the game because you're too lazy to grind a video game. Wont matter to us
As soon as you insult other players who help fund the continued development of the game, and help support a diverse ecosystem of players in a game where teamwork is essential to many aspects of the game, you're part of the problem not part of the solution.
This game needs players and a diversity of players isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you should gleefully eject them from the game and deem their part in supporting it worthless.
Pathfinder is unpopular because it's so far removed from how flight was originally attained it's absurd. Flying has always been incredibly popular, fun, and loved by the vast majority of the players. The shallow reasons for all but removing it are ludicrous.
theres no flying yet, but if you're walking about wod pathfinder yeah that's stupid
10/25/2018 01:11 PMPosted by
Oimate
theres no flying yet, but if you're walking about wod pathfinder yeah that's stupid
WoD and Legion* pathfinder. And pathfinder in general. But do tell, why is it stupid?
10/25/2018 10:39 AMPosted by
Tarc
In others words, players that actually enjoy the game, and...while certainly not seeing perfection in everything Blizzard does...are generally pretty good with the direction of the game.
See, that's really what the stick up the tookus is for the handful of whiners, criers, and unsubbers; it's not the game itself and it's perceived shortcomings that sparks their QQ Ragefests. No.
What it is, is the fact that people who don't agree with them exist. The fact that all these happy subscribers don't see things exactly as they do. The fact that many people still like playing World of Warcraft.
Still play it, still blog about it, still stream it...hell, that still do fan art. everything enrages the man-children to no end. Because they're convinced that they are absolutely right, and most of us, hell, it's not even that we disagree, it's that we chuckle...or ridicule them like I'm doing right now...pat them on their heads, and merrily login and get back to playing.
People like you utterly lack the ability to deal with it. This is why you "quit", yet stay, resting on the proverbial "MUH SUBS" that somehow magically seem to never expire.
Top, top, tippy-top lulz.
I deal with it just fine, and the reason people like ME are here is because we still tolerate the game, we still even like SOME aspects of it. We want the game to be fun and therefore, complain about the parts that are not fun. Your mindset is what is eventually going to cause this game to die. For every player on the forums complaining there are probably 3 that quit the game and don't say anything.
People that mythic raid have a notoriously hard time criticizing the game. They are so invested in their team/guild. They happily do the boring content to get back to raiding (which is fun, I admit). The game has become about blitzing through grinds so you can be RELIEVED you completed it so you can get back to raiding.
The game used to be much more free in what you could do for fun. Want to grind old raids? Go Ahead!, Want to login and play some PVP? Go Ahead! Want to do pet battles for 3 hours?! Go Ahead! Now it's "Have I done my !@#$ing god awful boring as crap Emissary chest yet today?" I probably should. "Have I slogged through Island Expeditions to hit my weekly cap? Probably should even though they are terrible. "Have i grinded enough rep to hit Pathfinder yet?"
All of those boring and unnecessary grinds keep players from doing what is fun. You do the grinds because you like to raid, a ton (and growing daily) would rather just play something else than do CHORES that are unfun to advance their character a micrometer.
Yup. I will never understand how anyone could think taking away player choice in this game was a good decision. That was probably the biggest strength of WoW.. It had so many different things to do to keep you playing forever. Now it's "do all this tedious bs, or be penalized for wanting to enjoy it your own way"
Then you have all these people that are just trolls or have no idea how flying used to be earned and how much funner and less tedious it made playing through relevant content. And people that enjoyed that and want it back are somehow looking for a handout and they also want everything else handed to them. They're either trolls or they have the worst comprehension skills I've ever seen.
I know this sounds mean, but why do people insist on making these threads? Are they hoping somebody will reply with "no! please! don't go!"?
If you're quitting, just quit.
Perhaps, its because people loved this game and hate to see it no longer embrace the way they enjoyed it. Perhaps they hate to walk away from it without at the very least leaving their feedback in hopes someone that matters will see it and throw it in the pot with all the other people who've left the same feedback which may result in change.
10/25/2018 12:48 AMPosted by
Arturas
As far as rep grinds, I haven't done anything but emissaries since it launched. 3 or 4 wqs a day. That's it. 10-15 mins of gameplay.
I have pathfinder 1 unlocked.
I don't understand why pathfinder needs to exist, except for the fact that they don't want us to fly. I assume they'll add a no-flight zone when they finally give us part 2. It doesn't make sense, and there's no point to it.
But there's no "grind" to it. Don't exaggerate when you want a change, it discredits your argument.
You sure about that? At the point Im stuck doing the same thing every day that I do not enjoy doing.. regardless of whether it takes 5 minutes or 3 hours... Thats a grind to me. When Im stuck doing it just to unlock the ability to play the game in the way I used to enjoy and the game embraced.. that's just a slap in the face. When I have to do the same in outdated irrelevant content for rewards that are no longer useful just to gain a mode of travel there.. that is absolutely a grind.
<span class="truncated">...</span>You really think forum posters are the only ones leaving? My wife plays, she loved playing with me. We had very similar interests. She wont care to say anything here when she quits, which I can assure you, wont be long after me.
It seems like whenever one of these "iquit" posts surfaces, the unsubber in question is always someone that appears to have done nothing in game in the first place. So you're quitting, thanks for the update.
I've taken a few breaks in all my time playing wow, I've never felt the need to start an attention grab post to let everyone on gendis know I'm doing so.
mm hmm.. yes Im looking for attention. Couldnt be that Im leaving feedback for a game I used to love in hopes the right people will see it. Im sure all these other "iquit" threads are just out looking for attention as well.
Oh, and yes I really loved paying my sub just to do nothing in game. And Im here grabbing for attention for a game I loved to do nothing in.
Anyways, why are you here on the forums leaving redundant statements on threads that dont interest you? Looking for attention as well Im sure.. looking for those likes? Gets your jollies goin doesnt it? Here.. I left you a like, it'll help you sleep better, trust me, I know.