Unpopular Opinion: I think LFR should be Changed

[Twibiju-staghelm (Twibiju)]

LFR is a culprit too, like why is it so hard to fathom? If people can push a button to queue and Faceroll to get loot, that means less incentove to do normal content, which means less recruits for guilds, which means raiding suffers, meanwhile LFR heroes suffer a boring play experience devoid of challenge and social interaction which makes them more likely to quit. This isn’t rocket science. There are knock-on effects of everything in this game.

To be honest, I spent a good 10 years raiding. I retired from regular group content after my Mom died.

I just feel like there are more important things going on in real life and would much rather spend my time doing those things then spending upwards of 5 hour rock blocks on my free time nights trying to down one boss.

There’s a lot of people with the same opinion out there. Yeah, sure, I still enjoy seeing the content and finishing up the story arcs: LFR allows me to do that without having to have a certain time period I have to be on.

You have your content, I have mine. I fail to see the problem. Not my fault you can’t recruit.

[Sanshunter-hyjal (Sanshunter)]

Welp op, they tried changing lfr in Wod. It didn’t increase normal plus raiding and hurt the game. Well WoD was bad across the board but it was one of the many issues it had.

[anon94872061]

LFR isn’t supposed to teach raiding. Guilds who raid are supposed to teach raiding.

LFR is intended for a different group of people, i.e. not the ones who do normal plus.

Exactly.
And the anti LFR sorts in here are EXACTLY the reason why I stopped trying to progress in this game.
Too many crying babies in ‘real’ raiding for my liking…that and the elitists.
No thanks.
I’ll stick to LFR if and when I do ‘raid’

[Dahhaka-bleeding-hollow (Dahhaka)]

You do understand that at one point Blizzard was considering ditching raids entirely since so little of the population saw the content, right? It wasn’t worth the cost to produce if barely anyone got to experience it.

If you kill LFR, then casuals can’t raid. If casuals can’t raid, then not enough people are seeing the raids and it’s not worth making them. Then nobody gets to raid. How about you do your Mythic raids and I do mine, and we let the majority of the population do what they want?

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

Not a problem at all sir well said!

[Magnemyte-emerald-dream (Magnemyte)]

There’s no correlation between sub count and LFR.

Do you want me to break out the scatter plots and affix the R-squared value to the trendline??? LOL

[Gobbyjr-draka (Gobbyjr)]

i mean the monsters being special because how they actually were in the game, not because you flip a switch and to suddenly become more difficult/easier, it’s a matter of world building + authenticity that modern wow doesn’t do as good a job as as in the old wow

[Gobbyjr-draka (Gobbyjr)]

exactly, but after they added LFR it got rid of that “big deal aspect” of it, it kind of defeats the purpose because i think one of the driving reasons people wanted to see the content in the first place was because of this “big deal aspect”

[Feasa-illidan]

How many times does this need to be said, correlation does not imply causation. Please take Statistics 101.

[Truebow-suramar (Truebow)]

I think there should only be LFR

[Magnemyte-emerald-dream (Magnemyte)]

There’s a lot of people with the same opinion out there. Yeah, sure, I still enjoy seeing the content and finishing up the story arcs: LFR allows me to do that without having to have a certain time period I have to be on.

So does Twitch. I can’t raid as much sincE my dad got stage 4 cancer but I still think LFR is a blight that needs to be stopped.

[Velara-gilneas (Velara)]

Yep, I said it. I think LFR should be removed or changed. LFR doesn’t teach raiding and it’s actually nothing but a faceroll every time. I think it should be removed or changed.

If it won’t be removed, and I know it won’t be, I think it should be changed with scaling mechanics. So, LFR should have the difficulty of Normal mechanics to start out with for each boss. After each wipe, instead of giving a flat out bonus to HP, dps, and healing, the mechanics should scale down to the simplicity face roll they are now.

I’m not saying I hate LFR raiders but I’m saying I hate LFR because it teaches nothing and is just a faceroll. It should take some effort and attempts at learning the fight instead of it being so blatantly easy.

LFR isn’t intended to “teach” raiding. It is intended to provide a means by which non-raiders can see end-game (tourist mode). If LFR were removed, so would raids, since no more than 15% of the player base actually raids for real. The bean counters have spoken.

It’s not going to be made more difficult because that isn’t the point of LFR.

If there is anything I would change at all about LFR, it would be to impose penalties for leaving a group.

[Magnemyte-emerald-dream (Magnemyte)]

I can out chi-square you any day, Mac.

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

Do you want me to break out the scatter plots and affix the R-squared value to the trendline??? LOL

yes, go for it

[Flashelas-farstriders (Flashelas)]

Yep, I said it. I think LFR should be removed or changed. LFR doesn’t teach raiding and it’s actually nothing but a faceroll every time.

I can’t speak for previous iterations, but current LFR definitely still has mechanics. Trying to faceroll Zek’voz, Zul or G’huun is just going to wipe the group unless you get a whole bunch of people who really overgear it, and even then you still need some mechanics to be paid attention to.

[Startide-proudmoore]

You said it yourself, it should reward you for your time.

Actually, I would argue LFR in Bfa isn’t very rewarding and it takes a lot of time. It is mainly just 340 gear which by this stage of the expansion is trivial.

Compared to warfronts (once every few weeks 370 gear, lots of 340 gear) or world bosses (no queue, no trash, very fast chance at 355 gear), LFR is a huge waste of time.

LFR:
Queue up, wait, fight a few bosses, maybe get one piece of loot that isn’t an upgrade. Queue up for next wing, wait, fight a few bosses, maybe get one piece of loot that isn’t an upgrade. Keep Repeating.

How is LFR no time/effort? It certainly takes a lot of time, and the rewards are only marginal unless you win the lottery with titanforging, but who plans on that.

[Hugemidget-dalaran (Hugemidget)]

To the OP: Here’s a crazy idea, if you don’t like it don’t use it. I know it’s a radical idea but stay with me. If you’re in a guild that raids or you raid with friends, that’s awesome many years ago I was single & had a ton of free time. As a married guy I don’t have the time to be in a raid guild as I cannot commit to playing at a set date & time, when I play is very fluid but it’s nice that as a casual player if I want to at least see the content I can. I don’t join raids very often but I’m glad I have the option. Not sure how other people using LFR is impacting your playing experience.

[Gethard-proudmoore]

You can go ahead and remove them since I don’t need them for anything anymore. I don’t care what other people enjoy doing. I don’t it’s worth doing because it isn’t hard enough and my opinion is the only one that matters.

Am I doing it right?

[Idun-wyrmrest-accord (Idun)]

Also: I don’t think your opinion is unpopular.

But it is a popular trolling topic.

[Raicolette-moon-guard (Raicolette)]

But it is a popular trolling topic.

You may consider it trolling but I think I had a good argument why I don’t like LFR being so easy. Cyouskin has the best counter in the thread right now and I agree with him.