All right I am done with you. You are attributing stuff to LFR that ended years before LFR even happened and using LFR as an excuse for it. Clearly you hate LFR, the concept of the unworthy getting “free” gear regardless of its value, and want to blame LFR for what is wrong with WoW (even stuff that happened before LFR was released).
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I was clear lfr was not the start of the problem nor the worst of it. It was simply the moment of no return. Think of it as… I will try not to use illnesses for a metaphor…
Think of it as a dandeelion. LFR is the flower not the roots.
If LFR is too difficult people won’t engage in it.
If people don’t engage in LFR, then the purpose of LFR is defeated.
If the purpose of LFR is defeated, raid content gets cut.
LFR exists to justify the time and money spent on creating raid content. Without LFR there’d be less dev resources devoted to raids.
LFR is not there so people can see the story and it’s not there to “teach” people how to raid. LFR exists so the devs can show the bean counters that content they spent a ton of time and money on is seeing a big return in player usage.
And just to support this post:
LFR justifies the creation of more raid content when millions of players are able to see content. Only a few thousand people actually saw Kel’thuzad, but millions saw Deathwing. The reason Mists of Pandaria is starting with 18 bosses and adding larger raid tiers than we have had previously is because many players are going to see the raids through LFR.
This quote is from Ion Hazzikostas taken from an interview that still exits on MMO-Champion but I can’t link it due to the new forums trust system. Even so, anyone can easily search for the source of this quote and verify it as authentic.
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I prefer to think of it as a boil. The ones crying about it anyway.
Painful, annoying, pointless…but just cant quite get it to go away.
I’m not sure you know how to quote, I never said the above.
This is what I said.
I got SOOO turned on reading this.
You really dont seem to get it that THIS IS EXACTLY what WE WANT.
if we wanted to join your guilds, we would.
We dont…so we wont.
Its that simple.
And yes, I realize youre having a horrible time digesting that simple concept, but its NOT going to change simply because youre having a hard time accepting reality here.
We DONT WANT to join your guild.
We DONT WANT to deal with guild drama.
We DONT WANT the obligation.
We WANT to run LFR WHEN we want with complete strangers that we will never see again and dont have ANY responsibility to.
See how simple that is?
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No they don’t, Blizzard does not need to encourage people into normal raids, that’s up to the customer to decide.
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Seems to be doing what it wants.
Im going to start removing the names and just leaving the text so it’ll stop doing that.
It only makes sense to make end-game content available to everyone. LFR is doing exactly that, while paying the bills for raid development.
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I don’t understand why people want LFR/D etc. removed. If you don’t want to use it and want to get your guild mates together for those having that in the game doesn’t stop anyone from making their own groups. Why do people have this innate need to stop others from playing the game in a different way than they do. Its the same for those that don’t want High elves or flying or whatever. Then don’t play one or fly. Stop controlling others to force play how you want it for others.
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Show me exactly where in the past there was mass yelling for a queable raid. I’ll wait.
I have been on these forums a long, long, long time (longer than I like to admit) under multiple characters (most people around here know me by my goblin, Jujubiju). Not one time in the many years I have been here have I seen multiple posts begging for a queable raid.
That was Blizzard’s idea way back during Cata. Stop blaming the casuals for things they never asked for.
There is a reason Blizzard gave the community LFR. Server’s slowly dying during Cata BEFORE LFR was even a thing for one.
Again, find me multiple posts of people begging Blizzard for easy mode versions of raids that they can queue for.
I’ll wait.
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I don’t cast blame on anyone. There isn’t a point to it. Call yourself by whatever title you wish it doesn’t matter.
LFR was not the first nor was it the last the game veered away from being a mmo and slowly removed the social and progression aspects from the game to instant gratification. If you enjoy it good on you.
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This is like me telling you that Mythic+ shouldn’t drop gear higher than LFR.
Also, LFR gear is not nearly as strong as normal raid gear.
Oh TF? So what? It’s pretty rare to get any kind of TF in LFR.
Also, exactly how does someone else getting lower ilvl gear than what drops in normal any of your business? Gear in LFR is an incentive to go and do the content after you’ve seen it the first time.
Also, do you not understand the purpose of gear in this game? It’s a tool, that’s why we’re replacing it every single raid.
Its something like High Elves and Vulpera threads, they come in waves when hardcore raiders get upset about seeing someone like me better geared than an alt or the rng gods forsake them or something… its nuts
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great…then we’re done here…
Until next week, that is, when a dozen more of these pathetic cry fest threads get started as if this one never existed.
You are demanding others give up what they like because their chosen level of play makes you feel less special. That is why you and your ilk are disliked, OP.
I don’t care what you do in game, what gear you have, what you like or how often you do is as long as it doesn’t impact me. The irrational hatred – and it is irrational, because the hatred stems solely from people’s vanity and overweening pride – for LFR does impact me.
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Didn’t say it was my business. My comment was borne of my belief that rewards should be based on merit, not mere participation and, that the greater efforts should get the greatest rewards.
But for the record, I dgaf about anyone’s gear, accomplishments or in-game feats. I’m not in competition with anyone.
Nope. Sorry. LFR is fine. It is meant to be “faceroll”. When you have a group of 25 people who aren’t in the same guild, don’t use com, there to just see the story, then you are just waiting for disaster to happen. You likely weren’t here during MoP when you actually had to do mechanics in LFR on Garalon. It was so bad that 99% of the time if you queued for LFR in HoF, you would be in a group on Garalon and people would leave as soon as they got put in there on that boss.
People in LFR will always have those who refuse to switch to ads, move out of fire etc. If people want to learn to raid then normal is perfect for them. They don’t need to increase or change anything in LFR currently.
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LFR doesn’t kill guilds. 4th healers who wander off in the middle of raids, saying things like “I’m just going to cook my dinner on the BBQ”, then never return kill guilds. You know who you are.
LFR doesn’t need to be changed. It isn’t meant to teach anything, it isn’t meant to be difficult, it’s just a tourist mode for people who don’t want the hassle of raids but want to see the content. As such it achieves its end. The rewards from LFR aren’t particularly enticing if you raid normal and above, except for that one in a million titanforge or the odd transmog item.
Personally I run it for the transmog gear. I used to run it to get my bi-weekly raid mission quest done.
I don’t know anyone that would leave raiding for LFR once they’ve been hooked on raid-crack. It’s just too much fun.
I was wondering where you had gone off to… /hugs