That’s one way to increase the user traffic into classic content - provide tasks for players to do in classic wow; rewards are then provided to the user in the retail wow environment (which would only be available for use in the latter).
Will it work? Hard to say. I’m down though.
And it would completely devalue everything players have obtained in retail over the years.
They should not do this at all. It shouldn’t even be a consideration.
Devalue? How? They did the same things to get the items/achieves as the old time players did. Just in a different year.
They did not.
Retail players cannot earn certain mounts/titles/gear appearances at this time in Retail because they have been removed from the game. The “old time” players earned it when it was in the progression/Retail version of the game. Earning these items in Classic is fine but since they are no longer a part of the Retail version of the game they should not be obtainable/account-wide for use in Retail.
Keeping them in Classic only should be a draw for playing AND staying in Classic.
I would prefer to see players that want to play Classic for what it is. Not as a means to get perks for a different game (which as they are separate Retail pretty much is a different game) as a tourist. If you don’t care to play Classic (that is a general you not specific) except to get rewards in Retail, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe ask for more goodies for tasks you do in that version of the game.
If the think the game in classic is that much different than retail back in the day, I suggest you file a bug report and get classic fixed to be the same.
What you’re arguing for exclusivity - not equality. Your argument doesn’t really make sense with “per account” achievements. I don’t know about you, but my classic and retail games are on the same account. I argue that people who do the same things should get the same credit.
You seem to be trying to protect a “special status” based solely on playing the game earlier. I don’t see why you think this, but absent of convincing arguments, we will have to agree to disagree.
Do you have to log into each separately on the launcher?
There are separate dropdowns for each.
They are separate and should remain so.
I didn’t really say anything about equality. Perhaps my wording was poor but yes you may have one bnet account but you can use that account to log into WoW or Hearthstone or another game. Blizzard has had one time cross-promotions before ie the Hearthsteed mount in WoW for playing games in Hearthstone. There is no way to earn that or the Warlord’s Deathwheel or Tyrael’s Charger etc any longer. They were one time and gone just like the other items removed. But garnering items that have been removed from Retail WoW by playing (and promptly ghosting once obtained - this is in general not specifically you) Classic doesn’t do Classic any good. People should be playing Classic for Classic not to get items to use in Retail.
Same launcher - same game icon - different dropbox - big whoopie. I don’t see how this is an argument though. As someone with Tyrael’s Charger in retail, how would it diminish mine if someone else could get theirs (not that it’s much of an achievement since it’s a pay for a 6 month sub thing)? I’m for putting that stuff back in the game. Why not? If someone gets their moose mount from killing heoric archmonde in retail WoD or some future classic WoD, what difference does it make? Hell - a classic WoD version of that mount would probably be much better earned as the the 3 and 1/2 people playing a classic WoD would require them to actually earn it, instead of being like the 1/2 of the people who got it by a carry during WoD retail (I know how many we sold to people).
As for what does classic good… that would be more players. Our vanilla era server group has one raiding guild horde side (about a month ago we had to 36 man Sapphiron) and around 15 pages of items total on the AH.
I don’t much care why people would choose to play, as long as they play. You still have not stated why it “does no good”. I think it would do a hell of a lot of good - to both the economy and group finding. And by the time the people level up, gear up to get into naxx, and then stay the many many weeks/months to get their corrupted ashbringers or full T3 or whatever, they’ll be a part of the community we want and frankly need. With the amount of effort they sink in, they might choose to stay - you never know - but even if they don’t they’ll have been a productive addition to the community during their stay.
If people want things to use in retail they can ask for them to be put into retail to be earned there.
Classic things stay in Classic and if people want to use the item/s they can stay, earn and use them in Classic. Play Classic to enjoy those Classic things.
There really isn’t an argument against this, but a lot of Classic players are incredibly spiteful. They HATE Retail players, and want them to have nothing.
Classic players want to see people in the Classic Era that want to stay there and keep playing. I don’t hate retail players - I played both. You are welcome to all the retail things in the retail version of the game. No one is saying that retail players should be ignored and “have nothing”.
The two are basically separate games though and should remain separate.
The Retail players who posted the Wall of No for years? Such lovely people.
Honestly if it doesn’t affect classic in any way who cares. It’s not like a retail player will be able to get any classic gear in raids without properly raiding anyway (or swiping their credit card and gdkping). So it might bring a few extra players to the classic scene.
It does if they only want to get loot and scoot.
I’d like to see people in Classic that love that iteration of the game and want to remain - not to unlock things for retail.
So we get an influx of players that go on to ghost. That’s not community-building.
There, there, friend.
Would a hug help?
As someone in of the few era guilds clearing naxx regularly, would you like to tell me exactly HOW these “ghosts” will get that T3 with Ashbringer/Atiesh set? I’m really curious - because I’d love to know how to speed up getting my own Atiesh. I’m really curious to imagine how these “tourists” will get their shineys without raiding normally like the rest of us who are after the same things they are.
Ido already responded to this, but yeah, you’re not going to be given a full set of tier/bis items on your first week of raiding. If people want to get things like a thunderfury for their retail xmog or a certain tier set they are going to need to put effort into a guild.
I don’t think someone is going to full consume and raid every week and put in effort to get some priority on items then randomly quit the second they get an item. And even if they do, they would of helped the guild enough with the time they put in already.
Hope you will enjoy those items in Classic is all I’m saying.
Blizzard has already made their stance known and I appreciate them being upfront on this one.
Although the CM stated at the moment nothing at this time has changed. People are certainly able to continue to ask but based on Blizzard’s statement not expect it to happen.
You have not given a single valid reason for your stance. You’ve appealed to authority, you’ve used the words “should” and “ought” without saying a reason. And you’ve stated that it will cause classic tourists, which indicates you must not play era if you are able to believe this.
If you want to make a case for why it’s a bad idea, I’m all ears and happy to discuss, but posting walls of no is wasting your time and mine.
Argue with Blizz not me.
I never said you could not ask so there’s no reason to be snippy with me.
I don’t have to make a case. Blizz said at Blizzcon and that was confirmed by a CM: play Classic and get Classic things to use in Classic not Retail.
Asma stated the ultimate in valid reasons.
“Because Blizz said so.”
You seem a little wound up.
Would a hug help, friend?