So I was looking at seventyupgrades, just getting an idea of things I could get to start off at level 60 with a brand new spec. I have a few items for enhance but I really want to snag some HWL axes once they are buyable with honor, just to help when I first hit Outland. The axe for instance says it costs 15300 honor and 20 AB marks. Would that honor be the same as the honor you’re currently earning? I don’t mean that it will carry over, but when the prepatch hits, would that mean your 4500 honor AV’s would net 4500 honor in the prepatch, or does the honor change somehow? Assuming it’s the same, it seems like it would be super easy to just farm AV for a week and have enough to buy some stuff on the Tuesday reset. (I’m assuming the honor isn’t added immediately and it gets tallied every Tuesday, same as now?)
I can’t quite remember so I’m just going off memory here, but ultimately in vanilla I was like rank 9 when prepatch hit and I spent a few weeks PvPing it up to polish off my set. Given 2021 sweatiness it’s possibly
E the acquisition will be much faster as people aimlessly random BG queue for GM/HWL gear. Could also result in a lot of naxx players looking to stomp alts.
Almost 100% positive honor becomes immediately acquired in the new system. When arena goes live you do matches to gain or lose rating and get arena points each week based on that (so long as you played at least 10 games).
Yea, although I’m not so much concerned with how fast it will be, and more interested to know if the honor that you use in the prepatch to buy gear is the same as the honor you’re earning now. Like will the 4500 honor you get per AV now be the same as 4500 honor you get in the prepatch. Or is honor calculated differently after the prepatch
You can Google the prepatch for vanilla to read up on changes. I didn’t see any mention on honor values changing.
Level 70 blue set 1: available from launch until 2.4, costs a combination of honor and battleground marks.
Level 70 blue set 2: available starting in 2.4, identical statwise to blue set 1, requires honored with various pve factions and purchased with gold.
Season 1: Season 1 gear costs arena points.
Season 2: Season 2 gear costs arena points, Season 1 gear gets a discount in arena points.
Season 3: Season 3 gear costs arena points, weapons and shoulders require certain arena ratings to buy. Season 2 gear gets a discount in arena points, Season 1 gear now costs a combination of honor and battleground marks.
Season 4: Season 4 gear costs arena points, most items require certain arena ratings to buy. Season 3 gear gets a discount in arena points and the items with arena rating requirements have it lowered. Season 2 gear now costs a combination of honor and battleground marks. Season 1 gear is no longer available for pvp currency.
Also, in 2.4 (which came out during Season 3 and will probably like, the final “phase” of TBC Classic), they added vendors that sold season 1 and 2 armor for T4 and T5 armor tokens, respectively.
It’s calculated differently. There won’t really be any point to the reset in TBC as far as honor is concerned, but your arena points get tallied at the end of the week once the first season starts. And whereas now your honor gets reset every week, obviously in TBC both honor and arena points remain static. Arena points usually reset every season however but honor basically never resets.
Arena points did not reset between seasons in TBC. There was simply a cap. I bought some season 2 arena gear day one of season 2 because I was capped out saved from season 1.
A good 5s team will have you capped pretty easily even if you buy everything.
Since there are no more ranks, the honor you get per kill is a bot more straight forward. I forget the exact metrics.
Mark requirements from various BGs were probably implemented to ensure folks didn’t just grind one battleground.
There was still a weekly reset, so to speak. I recall waiting until Tuesdays to know how much honor I racked up each week.
I think honor stacked to 75k With the pre patch and got reset when tbc released
I looked to see about honor number changes but the most I could find was that there are no more diminishing returns.
I do remember grinding out honor gear in TBC and it is VERY easy to do so. Like as in you get everything in a weekend. In general, the PVP in BC caters to extreme casuals.
Classic pvp was not about being good, it was about having no life. I think it was very bad, which is why I don’t PvP past rank 3. I don’t know people who enjoy it, I just know people who grind it. If you see a rank 14 guy, you just feel bad for how many hours he had to put into it to get gear that is basically pvp Tier 2 equivalent which you can’t even take into PVE because without +hit you are crap.
I’m not asking for changes, just recognizing that classic pvp system is not good, and it needed to be changed, hence changed in TBC. If I could I’d probably make all pvp gear and titles obtainable with badges you get from winning. Still a grind, but people can take their time and progress at their own pace, and not have stupid decay forcing nolifing.
I understand why Blizzard changed their PVP system. I was just saying it went from one extreme (“no lifing” to rank) to the other (requiring practically no time at all). I get that some people who don’t have a lot of time to play love this.
For myself, I really, really enjoyed playing BGs especially with friends in premades. Pug BGs I mostly find frustrating or boring. I LOVE doing BG strategies with a real team and figuring things out. With TBC that’s really not a thing anymore. The BG gear really doesn’t even require a grind let’s be honest. The rest is all about arenas which basically has the only objective of “kill the enemy team” and that’s it. I’ll do it but it will be relatively boring to group with 1-2 other people in “kill the enemy” games with set strategies of how to win vs actually coming up with strategies and playing on a larger team.
What I would love is RBGs in TBC but that will not happen. I’ve thought about going to retail for RBGs there but I don’t really like Retail… so I got my fix binging in Classic. People who have practically no time and who like playing in small teams with only one objective will get their fix soon.