Now I’m not high rated by any means, but I get trolled in game about pack spirit (no I’m not here to cry lol) and the forums are flipping about pack spirit.
I wanted to point out why pack spirit (in my mind) is currently allowed to exist.
Shamans simply have no throughput. Our single target heals are a joke. With how weak shaman is we can only play with classes/specs that have monstrous self sustain, because we literally lack the ability to keep them up without earthen wall in bad situations.
When I play with Rshams on my alts and they don’t have pack spirit they just flop after a couple of mins, and they are struggling like a MF every step of the way, even with peels.
Remember guys, the trade off for being nearly unkillable is that we have no way to keep our dls unless we play with livelords who know exactly what Rshams are capable of and aren’t.
I and many other understand the faults of rsham as well as many other classes. But
Should never be a thing. No more unkillable anything. It’s horrid design.
Dks say the same thing. “We’re not kill targets but all you have to do is kill our teammate. We have no way to stop you!” Yeah right. So between rsham,Dk,DH, which IS the KT? We just have to wait until 50% damp? No thank you.
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Also, I’d happily give up pack spirit for healing buffs, I don’t like this current playstyle, but it’s the only one that’s viable for Rsham atm
Also, I don’t necessarily agree, Rsham can be killed in a swap against RMX, get kidneyd out of wolf and ur likely dead unless ur playing with a DK with AMZ.
And no, clearly you don’t understand the faults of Rsham if you’re advocating for nerfs.
Rsham is statistically the worst healer rn, above only both priest specs, the notion that theyre good right now is ridiculous.
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That’s a very bigoted mindset man. I never once even insinuated “nerfs.” I said it’s bad design. And yes of course. Every class dies in a stun. Purge/catch him out of wolf and stun. No trait. Stun dk, can’t death strike, etc. stuns > all classes ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
DH is the kill target, if/when dampening goes deep u go DK.
I don’t agree with the current design of Pack spirit, I too think it’s bad design, however, saying it’s OP is not something I can tolerate when Rshams can’t keep anyone not tanky as hell alive.
I didn’t say it was “OP” either. You must have like PTSD from random forum crying lol. However, in a vacuum, it is OP. All I’m saying, is that it’s a horrible trait design and should be removed. It’s not the only thing that should be changed, before you freak out, but it in itself is bad.
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If you remove pack spirit you need to compensate by giving huge healing throughout buffs
Removing pack spirit and giving us NOTHING will actually make us worse than disc priest
And back to my original post, we know. We all know lol. Sorry for your main’s troubles ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
so your defending pack spirit… next
No dude. DH is not a viable kill target almost ever. Too many immortality buttons on way too short of a cooldown to actually die first to anything toe to toe. Literally part of it’s pve rotation makes it invulnerable. Then short CD blur, meta, and then mobility and CC. That is the problem with your comp. You literally have to take it into dampening before anything even comes close to getting uncomfortable, and your comp also puts out the kind of pressure that forces cooldowns from other teams way faster. It’s unreasonable any way that you look at it, and comps like that specifically are why people aren’t playing the game rn.
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I don’t even have to read your post to tell you why it’s allowed to exist. It’s allowed to exist for the same reason DK self-healing is allowed to exist, the same reason Diamond Prism is allowed to exist, and the same reason Resto Druid throughput, CC, damage, and utility is allowed to exist all at the same time.
PvP isn’t a major concern for the current development team.
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I was willing to to take your opinion seriously till this. they cant be statistically last if they are above any other specs. try not to use such big words if you don’t fully understand their meaning
Statistically the worst healer aside from priests, idk what the problem is, sounds like you just want an excuse to ignore everything else.
I’m saying I want it removed in favor of healing buffs
I mean, the overall point is correct. Shamans external healing output is really poor right now. I think pack spirit makes for a great clip, and I don’t think it’s good game design by any means. But if you’re going to nerf pack spirit rsham is going to need some buffs to their casted heals to compensate
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This
Take away pack spirit by all means, but if they do that without buffing casted heals on Rshams, they’re going to be worse than Disc
Should not be defending immortality just because other aspects are weak. DKs, DH, destro, boomkins last season, rsham. It’s easier to point out offenders when they’re just overall busted but that doesn’t mean you can’t call out something dumb that an underperforming spec has.
It’s not like people are saying don’t buff rsham. Getting rid of pact spirit and buffing throughout are mutually exclusive.
Pack Spirit is dumb but so are other self healing Azerite traits like Quick Thinking and Cauterizing Blink for Mages. They should just blanket nerf all of them by 85% in PvP. Last thing this meta needs is more tankiness from anyone.
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there is no trade off for being unkillable. quit the bs. It’s like that moron DK that keeps posting ‘lol, just hit something else.’
That doesn’t work.
It’s understandable why you feel that way, but it should not exist in the game the way it does.
But what also shouldn’t exist is Rdruids in their current form, tankiness of many specs, lack of damage by many classes, Maledict, etc, etc.
I honestly think Blizz just gave up this season. Why has it been a month since the last PvP update? It’s taking longer and longer everyday to queue at low ratings. Waiting 5 minutes for a game sub 1500 on a new too is just awful. Hell, the MDI also is showing significantly awful design in class balance that is even worse and still no changes. So they clearly don’t care about PvE.
Feels like WoD where they have acknowledged the expansion sucked and focused their resources on the next thing, and in our case in 8.2
The trait is definitely op lol you cant say it isnt I watched cdew take his hands off the keyboard for a whole minute played with his dogs got up grabbed a drink sat down and laughed as his shaman didnt die from doing nothing. Now that being said it’s only as op as the idiot riding them instead of their dps.