Whether Johnny “buys it” or not is irrelevant, since he will not likely “buy” or accept anything other than what he wants to hear.
I see what you’re saying here. I would personally prefer if things were not the 1.12 version, like if we started with 1.0 flight paths, that would just tickle me, but that’s all personal opinions, i suppose.
The thing about these mounts is that they didn’t just leave it at the “it’s being gated in at different times, but implemented in it’s 1.12 version.” Honestly, if everything was just covered by a blanket statement like that I’d probably be a lot more OK just dealing with it at this point. But no, they specifically called out these mounts and gave us a different reason that didn’t line up with any of their other changes.
I’m not hardcore 100% vanilla only or I’ll whine about it, but they gave us an explanation that was just… bad reasoning.
For instance, I can deal with their being a “request next stop” button on the flight path because there was always a way to do that (log out then back in while in flight) so having an actual button doesn’t actually change the game play. Pandora’s box or not, they were willing to fiddle with it there, for what reason I really don’t know. It remains to be seen if that is left in for Classic, but last I was on Beta it was there /shrug.
With the mounts, it’s a bit more murky. Is implementing them on vendors any more a Pandora’s Box than the Flight Path change? Probably not. Does the lack of epic people on epic mounts standing around no lifing in Orgrimmar change the game play? Personally, I’d go with yes, because the game play was all about interacting with people. As a Newbie, I looked up to those epic people, and wanted to become them.
I still remember Wzarector, the Main Tank for my servers best guild, in his Tier 3, on his epic mount. I won’t even be playing a race that can ride the Ivory Raptor, but I absolutely want that kind of interaction between players again.
That said, if Blizzard was consistent with their reason for not implementing it, I’d be OK, but they aren’t.
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Brave- Dwarf warrior < Righteous Dawn > Azgalor
Absolutely. Tick Tock blizzard, the game has been missing some real flavor. In this case its Vanilla.
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Man, I don’t come to the forums for about a week and Fesz is still making his same tired arguments and asking for counterpoints despite the fact that I have previously given them to him. Side note, he never responded to me in those cases. However, since I’m not sure I provided the requested counterpoints in this thread (it may have only been in the now deleted thread) I will provide them again.
For the “items are 1.12 versions” argument, the unarmored mounts are the 1.12 version. Vendor inventories are being changed with content phases, using the 1.12 unarmored mounts for the first one or two phases would not only be in line with vanilla, but also in line with their philosophy regarding the rest of classic.
For the “pandora’s box” argument, they have already opened it. Lots of changes were made just to make classic run on the modern infrastructure. There were also some visible changes made for a variety of different reasons. Loot trading and layering are the two largest of these.
For the “coding required” argument, it is no different than the coding that is already being done to update vendor inventories with content phases. This is a non-argument because they are already doing it.
For the “can’t make everyone happy” argument, this is true. In this case you have to choose who to make unhappy. I would wager that either the people who don’t want the mounts included at all, or the people who want to show off their “e-peen” with a limited availability mount are much smaller groups than the people who want the mounts to be available in some fashion.
If I have missed anything, please let me know and I will be happy to address it. If anyone, Fesz included, has counterpoints to offer I will be happy to continue the discussion. However, reiterating the same points that I have already addressed is a waste of everyone’s time and I will not respond.
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Funny, the same could be said of you.
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Bump.
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Which of us is the one complaining and “suggesting”, if not demanding, that Blizzard cave and change their stated policy regarding those mounts so that they can gave their desired shiny?
Every last one of us that asked for Classic.
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Since I asked for Classic and I am not demanding that Blizzard cave and give me my desired shiny, you would be incorrect at best, if not being deliberately dishonest.
Fesz, I think you’re taking my reply way, way too seriously buddy. My point was that each and every one of us asked for our “shiny” when we asked for Classic, despite blizzard’s best “You think you do but you don’t” assurances. Now you’re trying to make the point that asking for a shiny is somehow unreasonable, when we’re all here because we asked for a shiny.
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He isn’t interested in logical arguments, or even having a proper discussion. I’ve tried to have an actual productive back and forth with him, but he always ignores my posts to continue a pointless back and forth name calling with someone else. It’s a shame honestly, until this topic I’ve always been on the same side as him even if I didn’t fully agree with what he said in his posts.
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I have a hard time believing you, I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for some time before coming to terms with what you’re actually here for.
I’ve asked you on numerous occasions as well, legitimate on topic questions that you’ve dodged, countless times as it would force a sincere response from you.
You always go back to;
-Pointing out that blizzard shouldn’t budge
-Mounts weren’t purchasable in 1.12.0
-seeking attention, generally negative through poking people in the feels.
I know you’re human, as you’ve been accidentally empathetic towards others, even though your main goal here is painfully obvious.
Are you even going to play Classic? Are mounts really something too rewarding for players that play the game day one? Do you think the mounts, that were in Vanilla should be in Classic?
Edit - request that post #1173 stays open for Fesz to answer above questions. 24hrs, or a new poster. (If a new poster, would you kindly answer the ?'s as well)
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Again… this is my impression of you, like it or not.
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You’ll be waiting a long time for led to step into trap.
I do not believe for one nanosecond that you are really interested in a sincere answer to promote dialog. I believe that your onlybinterest is in trying to get me to say something that you can use to attack me.
I will not fall into your trap.
What trap? I see you’re dodging my direct questions towards you. Which would be on topic. I’ll be waiting on your opinion regarding the topic, which has never been stated in this thread.
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I guess you must have missed all those times I stated that my opinion is that Blizzard should be consistent with their choice of 1.12 and that includes the mounts sold by vendors.
Yes, we’ve acknowledged that, however, do you have an opinion of your own? Regarding the mounts being in the game, or not?
I’m literally debating with my 6year old nephew it seems, only having an opinion when a power figure backs their claim.
As I said, I will not step into that trap.
Are you afraid of something? Countless players have come in here, with opposition ultimately left, or changed their viewpoint through actual discussion. I’ve never been hostile, nor would I with you.
I know you’ll bring up my warrior’s post, can you dispute those claims?
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The reason for this decision is simple.
They have a complete 1.12 build, with switches to enable things as time goes on. Over time, all the switches will go from off to on, and when all switches are at on, the switches can be removed.
Unarmored mounts would be a switch going from on to off, and have to remain there.