The lesson for them here is you don’t fix what isn’t broken. I was hyped for TWW when it came out but at the moment I lost all interest to log in.
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Really though, what gets me is Ele was not asking to be buffed. Us LvB enjoyers asked for our Pre- Legion playstyle to be brought back, but just to playable. But, no one was asking for a large buff to be better than what Ele could already perform. In fact, up to 11.05 people were more so asking for nothing to be done. They said they would rather have nothing than what they were getting with that Ascendancy model.
It’s like shoving cake down someone’s throat who didn’t want cake, than refusing to give them any food for a week because they ate the cake.
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Looking at wcl statistics in heroic where the vast majority of players play, and a single target boss like Sikran. Ele is 11th in dps right in the middle of the pack and under devastation, retribution, arcane. This also includes data pre-LR nerf. Data post-LR nerf is even worse.
I can understand a nerf to aoe but a 10% nerf to single target (potentially 17% if ascendance bug gets fixed) is completely unacceptable. When have we ever seen tuning that says “All damage reduced by 17%” for a class that is performing upper middle? Never. Aoe nerfs are even larger in magnitude. This is after we lost cdr on defensives and utility.
It’s almost as if the hotfix team (LR nerf 3% single, 10% aoe), the tuning team (10% single, 20% aoe) and the bug fix team (1% LR, 7% ascendance) are all working separately and have zero communication with each other.
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Another issue with the upcoming nerfs, is that it makes Ascendance a lackluster THREE minute cooldown. If you go into aoe against an Unholy Death Knight, like first pull in stonevault or necrotic wake, UH DK will blow past you and they’re a 90s cooldown class. Would really suck to press a 3 min cooldown knowing that any other spec that is half of that can do just as much and twice as often.
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Well see, that’s the problem. Ele is no longer upper middle it’s 2nd highest. What get me is 3-4 weeks ago only the top 3 classes were more than 5% difference from the lowest to the highest. I think it was 10 -13 DPS spec were all within 3%.
It really feels spiteful, like when the government wants to disparage a class but they got no good reason. So they lift them up so that everyone will complain about them pointing out how unequally they are being treated. Just so that when they tear them down people will say they got what they deserved.
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Which boss and what difficulty (mythic, heroic, normal) are you loking at where Ele is second highest in single target dps post-LR nerf? Because i can’t find it.
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Post L-R nerf? I’m talking right now Ele is #2 and you don’t have to look hard. Multiple charts and bosses on Warcraft Logs Mythic Raid where they are #2, Archon has them at #3 dps just a few thousand behind enhance. Everywhere on the forum people are saying Ele is now OP and they didn’t ask for the buff. I have no idea what you are at because the forums overwhelmingly been saying the same thing.
Ele didn’t ask to be buffed, you made us OP, now you want to nerf us into the ground.
Ele is not middle of pack. Since 11.05 they are #2 and the day 11.05 went live before Combat discovered the Combat bug they were #1, by day 2 Combat discovered the combat bug and abused it pushing Ele down one spot. By the average Ele is 100k higher dps than Sin, and 30k higher than BM.
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Are you talking about overall statistics? My post was about SINGLE TARGET. Yes i agree aoe needs a nerf but not single target. Definitely not 10-17% single target nerf. Please find me actual data that shows Ele at number 2 single target and not everyone at forums and archon are all saying it.
Current WCL statistics All Percentile:
Sikran mythic: ele 6th
Sikran heroic: ele 11th
Rashanan mythic: ele 7th
Rashaman heroic: ele 7th
Kyveza mythic: ele 8th
Kyveza heroic: 11th
Nowhere is ele near 2nd in dps in single target. Yet they are getting huge nerf to single target.
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I don’t know if you’re aware, but ele has already received a nerf to lightning rod. Many of the super high DPS logs are from before the LR nerf on add fights.
Ya, go look at 11.05 stats, even if I do a single day meaning yesterday and today, Ele is on top, you guys have got to be trolling.
Bring the stats or it seems you are trolling. Post the website you base your opinion on.
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For PVE currently, it is not.
PVP it is useful for snaring if spec’d and has some decent damage.
“Worst dps spec in the game…”
Press X to doubt.
We’re about to lose a full quarter of our single target damage. Ele is not so far ahead that it will not end up at the bottom as a result of a nerf of that scale
Hey Blizzard, it feels like you’ve completely killed off an entire spec. While we definitely needed a nerf, this feels more like an “Old Yeller” treatment. If these changes stay, I think I can speak for many when I say I’m done with this game. I spent a lot of gold to respec to mastery, and now I have to undo that and buy a token to fix the issues you introduced because of the model upgrade on Ascendance. That’s really frustrating. Please consider undoing the rework and returning us to where we were before; we were in a good spot and happy with it.
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Kinda easy to verify by checking logs and applying the nerf.
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Math is hard for people don’t you know?
Shaman is and will always be my favorite class thematically.
Ive loved it since vanilla and will always play one, but everything youve talked about is why it will never be anything more than “main alt”.
Theres too much turbulence in the class. The moment they introduced mastery in cata the class became an unmanagable, uncontrollable monster. Slight tuning takes them from god to trash.
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And after spending so much gold, crests and catalyst charges because blizzard decides to change our stat prio mid-season. Now these nerfs will further effect the balance between haste and Crit. Why can’t they wait until next season ?
This is totally unacceptable, horrible, terrible and vegetable.
How about some refund of the resources that we are spending, that about half of it is going to waste, just because we are getting flipped around like pancakes with tuning ?
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Looking at Warcraft logs at the 90th percentile over the last week as of today at 2:18AM CST:
- Ele is #2 on Ulgrax, which who cares because parsing on the fight is meme padding on the adds. The Rank 1 Ele Shaman log that everyone talked about and was featured on Wowhead was mainly due to them getting PI’d every ad set and people holding on to adds. Not to mention a piss-easy fight.
- #1 on Bloodbound Horror which makes a lot of sense since it is a fight literally built for Elemental’s damage profile regarding AoE and funnel/prio damage, and thus, they are on top of the meters. But again piss easy fight.
- Ele is 4th on Sikran with Enhance, MM Hunter, BM Hunter, and Outlaw (Lol) above them. It’s worth noting that Ascendance is bugged with how it works and Ele is gaining 9% dps on single target from it. Yet Enhance is still pulling ahead of it (with them being bugged and losing damage from it).
- Ele is 6th on Rash, neck and neck with Havoc and only 10k behind Sub. Assassination Rogue, Fury, and Outlaw (lol) are above them.
- Ovinax Ele is 4th, with Unholy only 4k behind (so functionally, they are tied) and Frost DK 50k above. You know who is on top.
- Nexus-Princess Ele Shaman is 8th with Assassination, Ret, all 3 hunter specs (yes survival is beating them), Enhance, and Outlaw (Lol).
The last two have not had many kills this week, but for Court, they are 5th, and Queen, looking at the Max percentile, they are second, but they are pretty much on par with Havoc and getting gapped by Dev.
SO:
The only fights where we could reliably tell that Ele is top 2 are the first two bosses, which, TBH, don’t matter since those fights are literally cheese parse fights and are top 5 on the 3rd and 4th boss but not overperforming to the degree that they are broken. Then, looking at the following two bosses where the difficulty curve starts, Ele is nestled neatly between both DK specs on Ovinax, being pretty much on par with Unholy. Princess has Ele behind 6 other spec. Ele, at this point, is strong, but there is no instance of it being “broken” since they did the 50% LR nerf, and the LR double dipping nerf, which all equated to about 5% in a single target.
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