In Patch 7.3.5 Timewalking Ulduar was introduced. When this happened Ulduar 10 Man and 25 Man were merged together and the loot tables combined on each boss. This caused most bosses to drop two chests where one is like normal and the other is called "Heroic".
The problem with this change is that even if you do the Hard Mode correctly and receive the achievement for it you will only receive normal mode loot. Hard Mode loot isn't properly dropping when a boss is killed.
Example:
Killing Flame Leviathan drops two chests. One is a regular cache while the other is titled heroic. When you go to loot both you get normal mode gear 99.9% of the time. The other 0.1% you get HM loot. (These tests were based off our discord and our streams).
The other problem is some bosses don't drop their Heroic Mode loot at all. General Vezzax has not dropped HM loot since this change. Yogg-Saron has dropped the tentacle trinket once or twice. I haven't heard reports of the mount dropping either, but it's possible it has. Flame Leviathan and XT-Deconstructor fall under these as well.
These problems have existed since 7.3.5 and many hoped the Legacy Loot option would fix it. I know a lot of people are irritated over the Ulduar changes.
Ulduar also suffers from the Legacy Loot fix that was done in 8.0.1 and many other raids suffer this problem too. Any boss that dropped tier tokens use to drop 2-4, depending on the difficulty and now no longer do this. This makes it extremely hard to complete a lot of Tier Sets that are listed in the Set UI in-game.
What we'd like to see is the Tier Tokens dropping off every boss along with the correct loot for each mode, ie Hard Mode loot from Heroic caches, Normal Mode loot from normal caches. Along with any boss that use to drop loot, but no longer does such as Avatar of the Fallen in Auchenai Crypts that would spawn at 50% when fighting Exarch Maladaar and drop additional loot which essentially was a "Hard Mode" trigger.
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Heres the thing no one is gona hear you here either post in dungeon and raids forums of if u found a bug post in the bug forums dev dont come here for feedback sugestions or complaints.
and here we go dungeon and raid forums.
and here we go dungeon and raid forums.
10/28/2018 04:25 PMPosted by DarthwraithHeres the thing no one is gona hear you here either post in dungeon and raids forums of if u found a bug post in the bug forums dev dont come here for feedback sugestions or complaints.
and here we go dungeon and raid forums.
I had originally posted it here as that is usually where the issue goes. It is a customer service issue and may or may not be a bug, but that was the exact forum I've had 10 different GM's tell me and a few others.
It's not. Drop-rates are a development issue, not a Customer Service/Customer Support issue.10/28/2018 04:28 PMPosted by LucetiaIt is a customer service issue
I opened a ticket about it 2 weeks ago and the GM said:
so those items are said, by a GM to still drop
Hiya! This is Game Master _____ here!
Just looking over your issue, and I see here that you're running into some real rough luck regarding getting gear to drop from Algalon the Observer, correct? Yeah, that RNG can be a cruel and finicky mistress. :/
I can say that nothing is wrong with your loot drop tables, it just really can be that hard sometimes to get an item that you really want. Trust me, I've gone through several dry spells as well. With the loot, the RNG just really is exactly that, random, and sometimes things will happen like what's happening with you now. I know the feeling sucks, and can be real discouraging, but keep trying! Bad luck can't last forever!
For more info regarding the loot drops, you can look over this article here: https://support.blizzard.com/article/000011394
Also, yes, it does look like the void Sabre still drops. :)
so those items are said, by a GM to still drop
10/30/2018 09:19 AMPosted by Brucewaynëso those items are said, by a GM to still drop
Unfortunately most of the GM's just go by WoWHead reports and such. I know in our discord we have a ton running them each week and some notice the same items never showing up. 1 person sure, but when you have hundreds to thousands experiencing the same thing on their multiple toons something is up.
One GM said Fallen Avatar still drops loot yet no one has seen any since 7.3.5.
Another GM said plate shoulders from Angerforge drops in BRD, but hasn't been seen since 7.3 and the GM referenced WoWHead as supporting evidence.
I hope blizz can look into this, the mount does still drop but i haven't gotten anything on the hard mode tables in weeks :(
Don't forget to meet the requirements for the heroic loot.
You can't just kill some bosses and see the heroic chest. You gotta fulfill the requirements for the heroic encounter first on some bosses.
You can't just kill some bosses and see the heroic chest. You gotta fulfill the requirements for the heroic encounter first on some bosses.
11/01/2018 10:30 PMPosted by ZalathelDon't forget to meet the requirements for the heroic loot.
You can't just kill some bosses and see the heroic chest. You gotta fulfill the requirements for the heroic encounter first on some bosses.
That's the problem and illustrated it in the original post. Meeting the requirement doesn't reward it. Like in Flame Leviathan you'll have all 4 beams up. XT you burst the heart from 100% to 0% and nothing.
Even on alts who don't have the achievement and get the achievement for hard modes still gets 0 hard mode loot. Run it on about 10+ toons per week and you can see easily the difference.
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Can confirm that this is still an issue.
Please fix!
Please fix!
I submitted a ticket about this because I did not receive the hmm loot from Yogg Saron or General, the GM said that they could not help but turned my ticket into a bug report and suggested each time I encountered this to submit a bug report, so that's what I've been doing
This is still an issue
Just ran Ulduar. Did all the Hard Modes. Did not get 2nd cache at: Flame Leviathan, XT, Iron Council, General or Yogg. Well, the cache spawned at XT, but I could not loot it. Very Frustrating.
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This is an issue, but not quite as first posted. I did -not- get a second cache on FL. XT was lootable, and had a cache I couldn’t loot. General and Yogg had one cache. All done properly on hard mode.
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i’ve noticed on recent ulduar runs that i don’t get hardmode loot. i decided yesterday to start keeping track of when/if i do receive HM loot to see if there are patterns. i’ve only done three runs, which is admittedly a teeny-tiny sample size, but it does seem that the loot breaks in the same ways each time. i’ll continue to keep track to see if the breaking is RNG or a consistent bug.
each boss should award a base of 3 normal items, with +1 additional HM item when killed on hardmode. i’m not sure if yogg is supposed to be +1 for each increase in difficulty (+3 for “1/2/3 lights in the darkness”) or +1 from any “1/2/3 lights” rewards, and if anybody remembers how it should actually function please chime in. since i already have mimiron’s head, i’ve been activating one keeper for “one light in the darkness” and killing yogg that way.
i’ve submitted multiple bug reports about this as i’ve encountered it in the game. i finally submitted a ticket yesterday with the hope of at least getting the missing XT loot, since he didn’t even drop the correct number of pieces, and the GM told me it was working as intended, which is… wrong.
i don’t kill every boss on hardmode, but here are the ones i’ve killed and the issues i’ve seen with them:
thorim, freya, mimiron – 3 normal, 1 HM. loot is split correctly between normal/heroic caches. these bosses appear to be working as intended.
XT – 3 normal, no HM. everything is looted from the boss’s body. there is a cache on the stairs that you can’t interact with and has no tooltip. broken.
assembly of iron – 3 normal, 1 HM. all loot is contained in 1 cache. working as intended, although a little strange that all 4 pieces are in one cache.
hodir – 4 normal pieces, no HM. 3 normal pieces are in the “normal” cache, and 1 normal piece is in the “heroic” cache. broken.
vezax and yogg-saron – 4 normal, no HM. all loot is contained in 1 cache. broken.
this isn’t even taking into account The Tier Problem that seems to be a issue across the entirety of legacy raids since the introduction of “legacy loot.” tier is no longer a guaranteed drop and you can go weeks without seeing tier at all, much less tier tokens for your class, now that it shares a drop table with all the normal non-tier items bosses drop.
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Although you double posted, this was my recent experience as well
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It’s like this since july. It’s insane…guess it goes with the theme. I’m sad, so much mog I can’t complete.
Patch 8.1 has arrived and was hoping for some fixes, but alas nothing.
Ulduar is still broken in terms of loot. Odd that it isn’t more of a priority since it’s a TW raid too and could be affecting it, but at least Al’akir’s chest in Throne of Four Winds is no longer personal loot. Progress I guess?
I don’t imagine a lot of groups are doing hard mode in Timewalking. My groups usually don’t. Disappointed that this is still a thing, for sure.
As stated above, loot is still broken in 8.1
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