Except we don’t have pre-nerf ulduar. We have buffed ulduar. It’s even worse now
Ret buffs are blown out of proportion. If you play ret in VOA, swapping to the add and back to the boss, you realize that getting 5 stacks of vengeance/hordeversion takes forever, and your dps lags behind. The same uptime problem is apparent when the raid Heroisms on pull. It doesn’t add extra damage, it just gets the damage going at the start faster and during target swaps. The hand of reckoning buff is taking something already present (damage when not targeted) and freeing it up. It was a creative expansion to what was already there.
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my mistake i was thinking of zerking, still doesn’t make any sense that warriors and druids have to enchant a weapon just to get another tank cd…not like Pallies can’t enchant it as well.
It builds stacks from bleeds. Pala can’t make a target bleed.
Pala gets Blade Ward. Increased parry chance and damage with successful parry during proc. This helps with pala threat.
Maybe change AD to be more in line with this enchant? Instant heal if you fall before 35% (limit proc cd to 15 seconds or something, or whatever this enchant has).
You dont get the point do you…If you’re going to buff ret you have to buff fury and feral as well bc its bottom feeder dps.
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Fury is S tier in ICC, so I don’t understand the problem. What glyph would you create to equivalently buff feral? Don’t they benefit in later phases from the volume of armor pen available?
Quite a bit.
So is ret, even more so now. You will bring rets over warrior since they also bring dsac
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The point of this thread isn’t about dps… there are a million other threads already about that.
This I doubt considering the viability of fury dps and raidwide battleshout etc.
That is correct. The point is that with this slippery slope of buffed content paladins have eliminated every other tank. Anyone that argues otherwise isn’t remembering all the meta comps/buffs from the last several years. Everyone will migrate to “best” regardless.
Furies do bring utility if they bother to use it. They just rely on other classes.
“Everyone” is a strong word. Plenty of guilds out there not using pala tanks.
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blessing of might exists, especially if you bring 3-4 rets
Everyone that has a paladin tank available is using a paladin tank. You will see more paladin tanks that any other, especially in hard mode content.
Well luckily there aren’t too many fury warriors that exist to complain about not having a spot.
How many paladin tanks did you see in vanilla or tbc
Vanilla a few, tbc every single raid
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Correct answer is “Effectively 0” and “a reasonable amount of OTs”
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This.
Prot pallies were never MT- they were OT in TBC.
And they were non-existent in vanilla except for meme play.