Problem is, it seems like they were. The Draenei did not choose to form a tribunal to judge the Orcs for their prior crimes. We on Azeroth did not pursue that either. Ultimately the decision was to have peaceful co-existence until the Draenei were aggressors to the Orcs.
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Dude, the whole WoD plot was bullđ©. Blizz didnât cared about the characters anymore and did whatever they want probably.
She already has. So forcefully lightforging orcs and removing free will isnât bad? Arthas forcing others into undeath is ok by those standards. Doesnât matter if itâs revenge. Itâs still wrong.
We arenât talking about MU Durotan.
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Because despite all of that, in the end, they came together with the Draenei to stop their mutual enemies in Gulâdan and the Legion.
They had acheived peace.
As far as we know, the only reason that peace was broken was because Yrel apparently decided that following Dark Kosh Narruâs ideas to suppress individuality and free will was a capital idea. And if the Orcs were going to be stubborn about maintaining their own culture and free will, sheâd redeem them to ash.
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No they didnât. Grom got overthrown by Gulâdan, and we just happened to encounter him on the way to defeating Gulâdan and Archimonde. He never would have sided with us otherwise and wouldâve fought us to the death, but he ended up getting defeated by the third party.
He was absolutely still our enemy.
You obviously werenât paying attention to the ending cinematic where Yrel is standing side by side with Durotan pledging that they will map out the future of Draenor⊠âtogetherâ.
And then she kills him offscreen.
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You obviously missed the part where Grom invaded Azeroth, as well as tried to bring the Draenei to extinction.
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It states they were lightbounding everyone on the planet by force. Thatâs pretty dark and they arenât " in the right for that". By your same line of reasoning the orcs did nothing wrong slaughtering the Draenei preemptively because they infact were planning to slaughter and subjugate the orcs and in reality the shadow council were never lying.
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Man, imagine having a race attempt to wipe yours to extinction, and then being called the villain when you retaliate.
I guess by your logic, Arthas was morally justified when he invaded Quelâthalas, because the Elves would later invade Northrend and attempt to kill him.
It was just a preemptive strike, guys.
That was the past⊠that was not where they were when the expac ended.
If Durotan decided to side with the monsters that happily genocided Yrelâs people, than he deserved his fate.
You have to understand that Grom and the Iron Horde massacred the Draenei for no reason. Entire families, towns, etc, completely wiped out. Thatâs not something anybody sensible just forgives.
They tried to wipe them out because the ancestors told them they were planning to exterminate them. Of course we know this was kilâjaden usurping control of an entire race but in the alternate timeline we get to see the Draenei do the exact damned thing kilâjaden told the orcs they would do, and not as some retaliation against the orcs for their previous attack but because the light told them itâs time to build an army and all will serve willingly or otherwise. The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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Yes you do. We forgave the Germans, we forgave the Japanese. we made allies out of them both. we still are allies of both. Yrel had forgiven Durotan and Grommash had clearly repented of his path. So THEY HAD SETTLED THINGS after defeating Gulâdan and KilâJaden. And Yârel had promised Khadgar that sheâd be available when needed⊠and she wasnât during Legion. Now we know why⊠she was busy taking marching orders from Dark Kosh Narru.
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One, youâre wrong.
Two, youâre wrong again.
Three, if Velen didnât have to sacrifice himself to stop the Shadowmoon Clan, the Draenei would never have been this vengeful.
Four, the âancestors telling the Orcs the Draenei were going to wipe them outâ didnât happen in the AU. It did at first and thatâs how they got to the point of the cinematic, but Garrosh told them that it was actually KJ and the Legion, and not their ancestors. Hence why they revolted and killed Mannoroth.
The genocide that they proceeded with afterwards was absolutely of their own accord. Did you miss the line where Grom yelled, âWe will be conquerors!â?
But sure, go ahead and justify the peaceful Draenei being massacred some more.
I guess those innocents at Teldrassil deserved their fate because Tyrande would later retaliate to avenge those that were cooked alive.
I guess the entire population of Quelâthalas deserved to be murdered and raised into Undeath because Kaelâthas would later come looking for revenge against Arthas, for it.
I guess the denizens of Theramore absolutely deserved to get nuked into oblivion, because Jaina would have a mental break from the incident and attempt to wipe out the Horde, later down the road.
Yup, makes perfect sense. They were just preemptive strikes.
Not going to really get into the WWII references, as thatâs a totally different conversation, but I will tell you this much: Nobody called America the villains when we nuked Japan for their bombing of Pearl Harbor.
Maybe he didnât have a choice. Maybe it was because after Yrel startd her Crusade, Durotan, the orc who had saved her and that she had saved in turn, was her first victim.
Actually yes there were, including Americans themselves who suspected that World War 2 had been artificially extended so that the US would get to try out itâs big toy in order to intimidate the Russians and let them know who was going to be incharge after the dust settled.
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The AU orcs were actually never sold the whole âancestral warning about the draeneiâ thing at all, not even at first. Per Gulâdan and the Stranger, AU Gulâdan was surprisingly forthright about the reality of the situation, only omitting the part about the orcs becoming slaves, and even that seemed to be at least partly because that wasnât how he saw it. He even outright told Garrosh his âsales pitchâ to take back to Grommash, complete with gushing about the Legion and Mannoroth and the glory and power being offered to the orcs.
So yeahâŠthe AU clans really had no excuse for the way most of them acted. They were given every âoutâ to not go down the same path as their MU parallels, and yet they still conjured up wrongheaded justifications for enslaving and butchering countless draenei and invading Azeroth anyway.
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They were still deceived. Not by kilâjaeden, however. Garrosh showed Grom visions of the orcs drinking the blood and becoming slaves to the legion, Omitting the part where they freed themselves. The iron horde was formed and Garrosh manipulated them further to assault the Draenei because they were a threat/ would side with the demons. Funny thing is, the sargerai were exactly that.
Obviously that doesnât clear them of all atrocities, but they do have an excuse instead of âwe wanted toâ.
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That might be true but the Draenei may not have been without cause.
- Exarch Orelis: This once-fertile land is now lifeless dust. Thatâs what your hate has done!
- Lightbound Dragoon: You have ruined this land! It is not too late to save it!
- Lightbound Bulwark: The High Exarch only wishes the best for us all!
Thereâre also lines about Yrel subjugating Draenor due to visions sheâs having. Taken together it paints a rather clear picture that Yrel acted to save Draenor, and everyone on it, from the Orcs once again turning it into a barren rock.
This is simply to say Leave muh waifu alone!
They did that together, too.
I find it likely (read: headcanon) that Durotanâs death was probably a result of him disagreeing with how Yrel went about subduing his race, not believing theyâd exhausted all possibilities or expended enough effort or reached the point of no return where such a thing became necessary.
All the same, itâs an odd thing.
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