Tyranny of Light Problems

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Just did the Maghar unlock questline, and FWIW, I did enjoy lots about it (unlike the LFD one - watched that on Youtube, and maybe I am in the minority, but it was dreadful).

I love bizarro what-if multiverses. I think that’s what frustrated me hugely about WoD is how the orcs ended up drinking demon blood anyway. When the trailer was released, I was pumped on some social commentary on the orcish race about them being unable to be separated from war, yadda yadda… but early on and we get the demon blood/Legion stuff. Boring.

So from that perspective, I really liked the shattered Draenor, with the poetic justice of the Light causing all of this. Yrel’s progression seemed natural too given the trauma she’s been through.

I called it that Xera would be behind the shenanigans and I am glad Blizzard went that route. Though with the following ingredients: one Legion across timelines, timey-wimey WoD nonsense, end of the Legion, it seems like an utter mess as to how it all works.

I think my main issue was Grom being alive and presented as a hero/friend to both the player characters, and former friend of Yrel and the Draenei. After all taht we have seen of this character across multiple games, it is really hard to excuse/absolve/feel sorry for Grommash. I think he should have done a noble sacrifice at the end of WoD.

WoD had great elements to it, and could have been amazing - even with the time travel nonsense - but ultimately, the negatives really blighted everything beyond salvaging. And this was the main reason that I couldn’t fully enjoy the Maghar questline. Still, props to Blizz for trying something different.

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Ironically now it’s the AU Draenei instead of the AU Orcs that have the excuse that they are being corrupted by evil space aliens.

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Yeah, I really liked that about it.

When WoD was announced, I figured (hoped) they’d do crazy stuff like this instead of a showing us a condensed, dissatisfactory version of what happened in our main timeline.

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Y’rel and the Lightbound have a lot of great story potential there, especially if they find a way to mesh them into the Alliance for some grey morality and/or have some actual intrigue instead of just whacking her with the villain bat and calling it a day. My worry is that this scenario was just a one-off excuse to get the Mag’har and it’ll never be revisited or touched on again.

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“For us… it was Tuesday.”

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Blizzard: “I got a shiny new Villain Bat and I’m gonna test it out!”

Yrel fans: :disappointed_relieved:

Garrosh fans: :angry:

Sylvanas fans: :rage:

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That villain bat must be so worn out after all these years, it’s practically a toothpick at this point.

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Grom living to old age and seemingly never having to pay for his role in the Iron Horde’s monstrous activities is dumb.

Yrel leading the surviving Draenei and holding a grudge against their butchers is entirely reasonable for her character, yet Blizzard treats her as the tyrant because muh Light is bad.

Having an entire METAL expansion showing how orcs are irredeemable barring a few exceptions right after MoP wasn’t the best idea. If Sylvanas is removed from power I worry the Horde will revert back into Orc centrism.

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Unpopular opinion maybe we are all just bad people

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Grom was warchief for 35 years and held off the lightbound so we could escape. While Durotan died offscreen. The opposite should have happened.

Durotan lost his brother to the Iron Horde. There’s no way he’d be cool with Grom leading the Horde after the legion was defeated. He should have replaced Grom as warchief and inevitably be the one to hold off the lightbound while we escaped.

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Grom has more of the heavy metal cool factor to him. The only thing Durotan had going him is that he’s a doppelganger of Thrall’s dad.

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This. If anyone’s worthy of a heroic sacrifice and buying his people time to escape it would be Durotan

Though the idea of the surviving Iron Horde atoning for their role in Warlords—particularly because they can’t cop out with the demon blood or “Garrosh was an anomaly” excuse—but I doubt that’s metal enough for Blizzard expansions.

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Idk seeing an older wiser Grom was pretty cool, and it would have been even better if durotan was the racial leader of the mag’thar

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Yes she is. She only survived because she joined forces with Durotan, she pledged to work together with Durotan and the Orcs after the mutual defeat of Gul’dan.

And then she went all Light-Fascist probably influenced by Dark Kosh Naaru herself.

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I’m not sure WoD as we know it as canon so I don’t mind anything in that questline. They say that we freed Draenor and that Gul’dan escaped via a time shard or something. Which is almost a different plot to the orc killing I remember in the expansion.

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That would have been much better. It would have added more weight since Durotan and Yrel actually worked together instead of a forced enemy mine situation to combat the Legion.

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I think this is way it should go, it would be a waste for to be simple villain that everyone unite against.

Ironically she be posed as Allaince version of Garrosh. Will she or won’t turn into a big bad. Will she find moderation while working with the Alliance and see she hasn’t been used by Xer’a.

Or will smite the weak unbelievers and continue to convert the unwilling to her cause.

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I have some likes and dislikes of the scenario.

On the positive side I actually like it when franchises aren’t afraid to make references to their less popular outings. It shows a willingness of a writer to think beyond what will be the most popular thing on a highly superficial level.

I also unapolegically love the worldbuilding and environment of Draenor, so I was happy to see some of that environment once again, as well as the potential for bits and pieces of it to bleed over into Azeroth.

I’ve also kind of come around on the idea of Yrel being a fanatical crusader. I like the idea of a light-centric antagonist, and while I’ll admit that I was unsure of Yrel being the face of it, I do think there is some interesting story potential.

I also like that unlike WoD itself which tended to dance around the fact we were in an alternate timeline as if the expansion was ashamed of what it was, almost right away the Mag’har scenario very explicitly made references to alternate versions of different characters.

The two things I disliked was that Grommash was Warchief of the Mag’har. He could of still been there, but I feel like the scenario wanted to act as if 6.2 Grommash was the only Grommash that existed. Dang it, he was one of the tyrants we freed Draenor from! It would of been a lot better if Durotan was the Warchief with Grommash serving in support.

I also think in general Gey’arah comes off as being a bit too bloodthirsty to be Durotan and Draka’s daughter. She comes off more like a Warsong Orc then a Frostwolf. If she was estranged from her parents that might of helped, but as far as we know she was on good terms with them.

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To be fair to Gey’arah her father was killed by the Lightbound and as seen with Ga’nar the Frostwolves can be rather bloodthirsty in their own right.

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Why is it that people give sylvabas a pass fir her genocide but act like the lightbound are far more evil when they off you a chance to join them and live. I mean this is a universe where the orcs didnt need demon blood to try to genocide her people. This is a race where all it takes is one simi charasmatic leader abd 5 minutes to convinve them genocide us the best option.

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