Tyrande Wick - Or, an alternative to Tyrande the raid boss

They aren’t, most of their stuff are just headcanons the nelf community keep missinforming in the hopes people will believe it

Nelves would say the worgen are just watch dogs/tracking pets while they do the real job, despite lore wise a worgen can easily tear apart a nelf

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BFA did a lot of telling and not a lot of showing, but, with the pieces on the table, I cannot feasibly see a situation where it needs more addressing.

The first part of this sentence in my mind contradicts the second part. I’m going to be quite blunt about this - if something is told to me, I’ll take it, but it’s impact is not anywhere near what it would be if it was onscreen. This itself is an issue because it drives perception as opposed to mere understanding - that perception filters down to general audiences and drives how the rivalry is perceived. That perception is what matters to the “lizard” part of our brains. Hence that perception matters. A lore fact alone doesn’t resolve issues in storytelling. The presentation has to be unmistakably clear.

Regarding Ashenvale, two matters:

  1. Please show me the authoritative source that tells me the outcome of the Ashenvale mission tables. Prove to me in the lore that the Night Elves have it. Do not extrapolate, do not ask me to explain Baine’s motivations or provide headcanon, just give me the authoritative piece of lore that tells me without ambiguity that the Night Elves have the territory.
  2. Assuming you can answer #1 - please show me the questline, the scenario, the raid, dungeon, or cinematic in which that fact was made clear in audiovisual media.

Absolutely, it’s nowhere near as impactful as actually playing through it. Nobody’s going to find me on a soap box saying that BFA was a good expansion in any stretch of the imagination, it required a lot of love that they just weren’t ready to commit to. But, coming at it from an angle that seems more likened to Blizzard’s M.O, once something’s out the door, they won’t revisit it. Especially with things that absolutely needed more time in the oven, like pretty much all of Warlords of Draenor (like Yrel’s story basically lacking everything past her introduction, for example). The “telling” angle is probably the best we’re going to get, and, with what’s been told, I can’t really see anything else that needs addressing that doesn’t turn into an act of aggression.

Around 8.2.5, after the finale to the disaster that was the BFA story and before 8.3 where they had the most extreme miscarriage of N’Zoth’s story, Danuser explicitly came out to say that “Warcraft’s story is a matter of perspective”. That was the most blatant case of severing a gangrenous limb to save the host I’ve ever seen and tells me that it was far too much for them to handle, so they disengaged and are letting it sit in place. It was an emergency “placate (in a very halfassed way) and shut up” response.

As for Ashenvale, I don’t have any concrete permit that says anything to the contrary, only that when the Alliance and Horde were gathered as one big possy of rag-tags at Orgrimmar’s gates, the Night Elves were at the bridge that leads into Ashenvale from Orgrimmar. That either tells me that they defeated the Horde there or they’ve received orders to stand down. Either way, I’m going to just go ahead and say that Ashenvale is in control of the Night Elves. It makes too much sense in that context.

It has a much stronger foundation than my claims of Sylvanas dying and Tyrande concluding her arc without anything bad happening to her.

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