I don’t think they ever provided any numbers on the amount of night elves who died. They still have Hyjal, and there are night elf communities like everywhere. Arthas definitely did the belves worse.
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Honestly, I feel like Tyrande is just a very generally hateful character. The first things she does in W3 is swear vengeance with every fiber of her being against the Humans and Orcs in her forest who she explicetly hears are trying to hunt down D E M O N S! Her entire character seems to be just generally vengeful and just angry…It’s actually pretty fitting that she became the Night Warrior, it suits her.
Which is basically the fantasy of wood elves.
or which has been their racial identity in WC3 … a combination of Woodelves and Darkelves.
My first contact with woodelves was on a a magic card with the flavor text:
“One broken bone for every broken twig”
That’s not a Tyrande thing it is actually the sort of NEs many NE players want to have back, the sort of elves they fell in love with like myself.
Vengefull and ruthless against anyone dare to defile their sacret forests.
Nes have been so bdaly highelved that people get confused appearently when they get in contact with a real wood elf.
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I am not going for that. There was a comparison between what Arthas did to the BEs and what Sylvanas did to the NEs. I never said what happened to the night elves wasn’t bad. Infact, if you look what I typed I said ‘as horrid as it is’. I said that comparing the two and claiming what Sylvanas did was worse or even technically on par.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not defending Sylvanas or trying to downplay what happened to the NEs but I doubt they have lost 90% of their population and I don’t think they are in as bad a place as the BEs were after what Arthas did. Sylvanas is a monster for all her own reasons, including starting a war with the intention of the highest casualties possible on both sides, but I think comparing what she did to the NEs to what Arthas did to the High Elves isn’t really accurate.
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Yeah, you’re right. I understand the whole Wood Elf fantasy and that was the main draw to night elves for me, they’re pretty cool but I just don’t like that the only chill Nelf seems to be Malfurion…
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In elegy tyrande said “how many NEs remain, too few, Sylvanas commited a genocide”
BUT Blizzard is … very bad with numbers… and unfortunately their numbers are what ever their stupid narrative demands.
After Elegy there were appearently not enough NEs left, but then they were building half of the alliance armies everywhere in BFA and were powerfull enough to even plan a full scale invasion of Orgrimmar based on the mission tables.
So… yeah
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I’m pretty sure she makes exceptions to Death Knights just from the fact that in Legion some helped her in Val’Sharah. I believe she hates undead Forsaken in particular and the Scourge right after them.
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Well they were just recently betrayed , genocided, forsaken , humiliated and theri forests defiled.
I think it is VERY understandable and natural for them to be pissed now.
In fact for me Shandris feels out of place because of her being so calm and forgiving.
I think it does the NEs good to have them being extremely pissed, aggressive, angry and vengeful for a few expansions. Then after that and after it coolong down a bit it might stagnates to where NEs were in Wc3.
In that case the whole BFA mess has had a positive effect.
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I guess my point is that Arthas was pretty thorough in Quel’thalas and the High Elves have relatively few population centers elsewhere. Dalaran would have been the biggest. The night Elves suffered badly in Ashenvale and with the lose of Teldrassil but most of the NE populations in Hyjal, WInterspring, Feathermoon Hold and Valsharah would have been untouched and they had been evacuating NEs from Teldrassil at that point.
She definitely committed Genocide but 90% seems pretty doubtful to me. With so many areas settled by NEs it seems strange to me that 90% of their population would be crowded into a few villages in Ashenvale and on Teldrassil. I am not trying to downplay it, I just find it hard to believe, as horrible a thing as it is, it has left the NEs as broken as the High Elves were after the Scourge destroyed Quel’thalas.
Well as long as it doesn’t end up doing to them what happened to the orcs when Blizzard decided, as Metzen put it, to give them back their teeth back in Cata.
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Yes BUT!! As far as I know the story in Elegy explicitly says that the whole NE population for some reason seeked refuge in Teldrassil because of the war… it made no sense at all but as far as I know that has been the narrative.
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If that is the case it would have been spectacularly stupid on Tyrande and Malfurion’s part. Many of those locations were way safer and far from the fighting.
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Yes I know!!! The whole WoT was STUPID … that is what buggs me the most. It was from start to finish as if teh writers were just cheating … so that it is possible to happen what they wanted to happen.
NOTHING about that made any sense. Which is why NE players are so pissed … they were basically cheated on.
Well not wanting to repeat it again BUT:
Sylvanas wasn’t alone. She didn’t summon winds so the tree burn seven more. She didn’t rally up civillians in Astranaar to kill them off.
She didn’t blight the land afterward
She didn’t raised Delaryn and sira and the NE Sentinels.
No the horde was as guilty in that affair. They even continued to follow here for more atrocities after Teldrasssil.
That is what tyrande points out, maiev aswell, in Shadows rising when thrall claimed it was just sylvanas.
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what I mean is that the Horde itself kicked Sylvanas out and that it was Sylvanas’ orders as warchief. The rest of the Horde (except for some/most forsaken) strongly disagreed with what she did.
They followed her afterwards and as I said the atrocities in Astranaar for example were not on Sylvanas behalf.
Also there are still loyalists within the horde.
Not everyone was Ok with it but a lot of people were within the horde.
So there are more guilty people than jsut sylvanas and Tyraande wants them all, that is why she said Sylvanas was not alone.
the “We were just following orders” apology didn’t work in the nurnburg trials either.
Thats what I’m saying. those supporters within the Horde are “changed” and they have “converted to the good side” and Baine wants to give these guys a home within the Horde because the main reason blizzard is going for that these guys joined her was they were tricked so I guess thats what we’re going for. If tyrande were to attacked these people, wether they deserve it or not, Baine and the others wouldn’t really like that. And when I was talking about following orders, it was probably that or death. Sylvanas killed anyone who had the slightest traitorus look on them, she was a dictator and theres not much free will there.
Well and Tyrande says: they commited crimes and shoudl be punished for that.
Which is why Tyrande is still vengefull and wants to attack the horde to get these war criminals.
if that happens i really hope she doesnt pussyfoot and obliterates a horde capital.
yep, a lot of these “changed” people are also completly bullsh*tting it too so that should be interesting lol
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oof…I need a minimum of 10 characters apparently but thats all I wanted to say…oof…
Pretty sure they’re undead.
That’s just how it be.
They did not.
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