undead death knights are like… double dead, thats like the most edgy choice of all the race/class combo.
mind you one of my favorite champions of the dk class hall was that undead dk, she was a bundle of black joy.
All true. Blizzard really threw the Horde under the bus here which is why their half hearted ‘the horde is really honorable, it was Sylvanas/Garrosh that lead them astray’ is so hollow to me. Honestly it will take quite a lot for Blizzard to make me actually have any respect for my own faction or its leaders any time soon. At least the older leaders.
Well that last one kind of was her. It was her Valkyr and Nathanos who were the primary instigators of that.
Astranaar is a bit weird because we only seemed to target the sentinels, not the civilians. I mean it was still a pretty nasty way to kill them and was agressive but it wasn’t wiping out everyone in the town. Hell, we have Saurfang give a quest during the War of Thorns where we are intentionally getting NE civilians away from the fighting so they aren’t harmed.
The ones that are are all in hiding. You have no open supporters in the Horde anymore. It is like with old god cultists or Legion worshipers. They are underground and would face punishment and probably imprisonment by the Horde if they were identified. I mean you literally have patrols looking for loyalists and leading them off in chains when they are found.
You know ‘They will never let you have peace after the Horde’s past’ was one of the arguments Sylvanas used to get Saurfang on board for the War of Thorns?
Here is the problem. What Tyrande wants is something the Horde can’t give and if the Horde is in a situation where it has the choice between war or being the victim, they aren’t just going to sit down and take it which will only exasperate the pain, loss and suffering on both sides. All it achieves is get more of her people dead and more losses.
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Sylvanas bestowed Nathanos with teh Valkyr but HE decided what to do there.
The Alliance version is different, there you wiped out especially the cicillians, you rounded them up killed them all.
Maybe, but you have those who are stil loyalists and hiding and those who participated in atrocities … and Tyrande wants them all. So the Horde has the decsion to make to hand them over, or fight over them with war in the end. At least in Tyrandes view.
And Tyrande can’t give AGAIN forgiveness. not after that. So the horde HAS to suffer, has to become the victim, as the NEs were. That is what Tyrande says.
In Shadows Rising she explicitly tells Thrall the NEs will come for you.
You made orphans with hatred inside them and they will take vengence. The Horde basically sealed their fate in term sof NEs with that.
There will never ever be peace between them again. Not till the Hord ehas suffered the same way. That is what Tyrande is implying.
The NEs don’tWANT peace anymore. Hence Tyrande didn’t sign the treaty.
There seems to be that impression that the Alliance or NEs have to accept peace or have to want it and only the horde is the one who decides wether or not we have peace.
This is over, NEs are no longer interested in peace. They want vengence. That implies waging war on the horde for aeons to come.
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There’s a quest in Icecrown where you reassemble and resurrect a draenei paladin, and he doesn’t seem any the worse for wear even though you have to pry some of his parts out of abominations.
He also left with her so the one responsible for that isn’t part of the Horde anymore.
I am going to be honest, this is one of those things which really doesn’t make much sense with Blizzard giving us two versions that don’t really add up. Saurfang was literally leading the Horde forces through Ashenvale. It doesn’t make sense that he would be actively having us spare civilians in one case and not in the other. I don’t know. Blizzard writing for you.
Well that is easier said than done and more to the point, I don’t think someone just having loyalty is a crime worthy of whatever the NEs would inflict. As for those who participated, that is even harder to figure out. Do we just hand over the entire Horde military to the NEs to execute? There is no way the Horde, when they frankly aren’t so battered not to be able to defend themselves against a weakened Alliance, would gut themselves so brutally. Even then, I don’t think Tyrande will be satisfied. I think while she is the Night Warrior she literally can never be satisfied. The reality is, there is nothing the Horde can offer the NEs which will make up for it except self destruction and that is something the Horde isn’t willing to give. And if it is war, everyone loses. Except currently Sylvanas who benefits from it.
Then she is damning her people to a life of death, hate and pain. Reminds me of the Heavensward expansion in FF14. She will let her hatred and pain poison her whole people and their culture.
The mistake the NEs are making is it will only be the Horde who are the victim. This is the whole deal with the ‘Cycle of Hatred’ that Blizzard badly writes. No one wins and everyone suffers. What the NEs want is impossible without destroying themselves. If this was the path they embraced, which we all know in the long run it probably wont be, then they are screwed one way or the other.
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Yes I know, this is why Tyrande is killing off Nathanos in the Prepatch I guess.
I know, the whole WoT was stupid as I said. Just telling you the narrative the Alliance got: Which is the Horde (under Saurfang!) rallied up civillians and killed them. BTW one of them was a child. You spend 10 quests on to heal her from a desease.
The Horde is narrated as complete monsters in teh Alliance version.
Yes probably, we don’t know really for sure. But is that a reason to say “ok then we give nothing”? Does that work out better?
I mean you have to think about it you don’t have just Tyrande as an avatar of Vengence who thinks so, Maiev does aswell and she is not the Night Warrior.
Even Shandris says things like that and she is pro peace.
Not saying that there is an easy solution, just pointing out the view from the NEs perspective here.
Depends.
The NEs have been that way before with their long vigil. Also the Night Warrior is narratively capable of defeating old gods and securing kalimdor. So if the Nightwarrior would, in a scenario that can never happen due to gameplay, unleash its wrath on the Horde she would just completely destroy them. So no life of death an hate, just one huge destruction and then the other party is gone. That is the purpose of the night Warrior to be able to END a war.
Like I said the NightWarrior story is actually: One NE sacrifices herself in order to bring destruction to the enemy and end the war with their total anhiliation.
That is what the Story of the Nightwarrior is about.
Sure it can’t ever happen the same way as neiteh rthe Alliance nro teh horde can ever win due to gameplay reasons in an MMO.
BUT: The idea is: Tyradne sacrifices herself to completely destroy the horde and secure kalimdor. Like it has been done before.
Says the guy with that genocide fetish … hmmm
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You keep saying that. Yet nowhere can you find a spot where I advocate for genocide. Believing things that aren’t real is a sign of psychosis you know.
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Im sure you don’t even know from a basic level of understanding what a psychosis is.
Your lack of education is concerning.
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So delusions aren’t a sign of psychosis now? Is that really your argument? Also, the speculation towards my education is amusing. But you seem barely capable of stringing an English sentence together, so you’d be better served not taking that avenue of attack.
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Those humans were working with the Orcs that just killed their ally, friend, and mentor of 10,000 years. Not to mention he is the son of their deity. And your questioning her wanted to hunt them down? She didn’t know about the legion until afterwards.
You all really need to get over W3, because right after that she turned around and helped Kael’Thas and his people get to safety and almost died in the process, even though they are the decedents of the Highborne.
She gave the Dreanei their island as home and offered them places in other areas of Ashenvale and even has priests in the temple. Which is even more significant because it’s possible that she recognized them because in WotA the legion already had Dreanei warlocks.
Tyrande and Malfurion brought the Worgan to Darnassus and fought to get them readmitted into the Alliance.
Tyrande is not hateful and you can’t back that up beyond W3 and her completely justifiable attitude towards Thalyssra and the Nightborne. Let it go already.
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Nah, both Tyrande and Cenarius were dumb about the Orcs and Humans. The first thing Malfurion does when he wakes up is talk about how they’d make good allies and Tyrande shuts down the idea because the orcs “killed” cenarius.
I like to imagine Malfurion rolling his eyes and dropping the matter because he realizes trying to explain that Cenarius isn’t really dead would be futile against the headstrong Tyrande.
As far as cenarius goes, the other night elf literally said “do you think those are the people that killed cenarius?” and Tyrande was just like “i don’t know” meaning she was simply angry at them for being there. huge “get off my lawn vibes”
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My point is it is inconsistent so difficult to really work off.
The Horde is narratively capable of killing Old Gods. Plus the Night Warrior didn’t solo the Old god and all its minions on its own. As powerful as the Night Warrior potentially is, I think considering the crap the heroes of the Horde have gone up against, the Night Warrior isn’t going to oneshot the Horde. Plus the Horde is pretty good at dealing with threats like that and very prepared to go full scorched earth if necessary to survive.
So I really doubt it would play out like that. Particularly since the NEs would be doing it without much of the rest of the Alliance.
Yeah and look at the above statement. My character has literally fought a titan. A newborn titan to be sure and she had help but she still took one on. Plus two old gods. If the Horde is forced to flex, it can pull some serious crap out of its butt.
If the Night Warrior was really capable of that, there wouldn’t have been a Darkshore battlefront and Org would have been in flames with Sylvanas’ head on a pike on the gate.
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It’s amusing to me that I’ve never seen any Nelf fans acknowledge Tyrande’s xenophobia as a flaw she gets over during the course of the End of Eternity campaign. They always treat it as a “weird WC3 thing” rather than her having a character arc.
Maybe they miss the talk about pride at the end of the campaign and it giving them pause to do what must be done.
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legit tho! If we’re being real, a lot of the alliance is based in racism and not many alliance players seem to see that
They don’t need to.
The whole Point of Wot was that the FULL HORDE would have been unable to attack the NEs alone, hence the distraction in Silithus.
Saurfang even says that in A good War and Sylvanas agrees to it.
The NEs have been a powerhouse on their own. They even were a SOLO faction in Wc3!
They don’t need the Alliance to threaten the Horde.
Darkshore is like:
Funnyly Tyrande wasn’t even at Orgrimmar, probably because of that reason, it would have destroyed the narrative of the city being able to withstand.
But the most logical narrative is: The Night Warriors power seems to build up.
Hence it at some point destroys its host.
Fact is: LorThemar is deeply concerend that Tyrande could set her focus onto the Horde.
Also she is in SL portraited as being even more powerfull than Jaina and more powerfull than Sylvanas expects (Hence she fails kidnapping her).
So at the ende we have the writers who made intercontinental catapults for the horde in order to have a chance of winning … but from a logical and CURRENT narrative point of view: The Horde would be doomed.
Thing is … we will NEVER see anything in that regard anyway for gameplay rasons.
I just point out what the current narrative is. The NEs don’t want peace and the sole NightWarrior story IS to get a powerfull avatar that is capable of defeating the Horde alone. Hence Tyrande went to Darkshore alone. We just follow her to stop her from invocing that ritual in the first place, not to help her.
Well question is: Why are you on my lawn to begin with? I mean people seem to have the right to shoot you if you trespass.
And being Xenophobic is … like pointed out been debunced. But hating people who destroy your property and kill your friends… well that is not raceism.
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It certainly was in Vanilla. Fandral was an avatar of Nelve’s regression to the point that he grew another world tree to try and regain immortality and was overtly xenophobic to the rest of the Alliance.
The Dwarves were openly imperial in Vanilla as seen by their activities in the Barrens and Alterac.
And the Humans were backing the Scarlet Crusade who’s explicit goal was genocide against Undead, even those who had Free Will.
Up until Wrath, Blizzard was willing to portray the Alliance as being just as flawed as the Horde. The return of Varian is when it shifted to being the playable Justice League faction.
Ahahahahaha.
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They literally say ‘we’re here to hunt down demons’.
Well you technically are as bad as the legion and your group has been founded by demons… so technically she is right.
Green skinned demon slaves and rotting corpses that were created by an entity created by demons.
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