TWW SPOILERS Thread

On the subject of Dalaran. The Dalaran Hearthstone toy still zips you right to the city. I was somewhat hoping it either wouldn’t work or would take you to a pile of rubble. But oh well. So timey whimeiness saves the day again. we can go back to the past which is someone congruent with the present, or whatever.

I’m not entirely sure all of Dalaran is gone. I think part of it got transported, along with parts of Kadgar possibly, to somewhere by Xalatath. But we’ll see.

The Violet Hold 100% got ported into the Void, same with Khadgar. I’m calling it right now. If we don’t see it at the end of TWW, it’ll turn up in Midnight.

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There was just too much power there to simply blow it all up. Nah, there are mechinations a foot.

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I honestly think it would happen like that, and then we get Stormwind becoming the meme of France when the Arathi make serious goes at SW and Orgrimmar and Turalyon surrenders SW once the Arathi arrive within five miles.

Also this because it will be easier to explain why the Arathi don’t just begin murdering countless people if SW is the one occupied… and also there is a lot of fun in a dynamic we can have by turning the Deep Run Tram into a dungeon instance and conflict zone for the duration of the patch before we make the Arathi pay up for all repairs.

Only if, like Historical France, the reason for the Surrender plays into the untouched plot developments from Cataclysm - that Stormwind is a pauper kingdom and Turaylon doesn’t have the fighting strength to even pretend to hold Stormwind.

Seriously, for all that I hate how Westfall has aged like milk left at room temperature in the wake of Cata, it did have some very potent plot hooks buried under the memes. Namely that since the war against the Lich King Stormwind’s economy hasn’t simply buckled - but collapsed entirely. And then they never address it again directly, but it plays into later NPC dialogues like the feuding farmers of Elwynn Forest who travel to bloody Draenor for work.

Anyways, just finished the Isle of Dorn and Alleria is just Shadow Warrior Tyrande 2.0 and oh my god Blizzard can we stop with the vengeful female who learns to forgive at the end motif?!

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As this expands the story into greater content, yes… though idk if Westfall is the best space for it.

I might say Duskwood is the best place since it’s also where all our RPers hide already.

Duskwood is in the lore hole post-Legion. That’s why the RPers hide out there. It’s safe.

And I have to say I didn’t expect Trade Prince Gallywix Earthen to be running the Ringing Deeps but I’m kinda here for it.

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If I’m the Arathi, being a nation under the influence of the eternal flame, I think that I’m way more interested in another weak city that has a much more potent light-themed power source tucked away nearby. Especially one that is kind of half an ancestral home for around half of my people’s predecessors.

And what do you know! Don’t we know for sure that Quel’thalas is a focal point in Midnight?

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LOOKS LIKE A POOL PARTY IN THE SUNWELL IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!

this is so the fourms stop yelling at me for yelling

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Hehehe that’s why those bathing suits were on sale not too long ago. Hope you guys picked up some duds and sun screen :sunglasses:

I refrained from the Sunwell being this option on the basis that it is going to be Quel’thalas in Midnight.

Also, leave the elves alone. They’ve taken too many losses as is. They need a breather before the lore freight train hits them in Midnight.

This is like the trolly question, but the correct answer is rail roading SW so we can have cooler dynamics than if we just ran to Quel’thalas before Xala’tath heccs it.

Also, we’re now banning goblins from attending all future Sunwell pool parties.

Who is the Belgium who refused to cooperate with, and thus screwed over, the French/Stormwind in this metaphor?

Absolutely not. The whole reason I fell in love with WarCraft elves is because they just keep getting kicked when they’re down and they don’t act traditionally elvish. The Children of Quel’thalas can and will shank a fool if they dare stand over them and laugh.

Which is also why I’m hopeful the Sin’dorei get shaken off their Sunwell dependency again.

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Huh, I didn’t really think of that, but I feel like it’d be more effective to set up portals on the ground. Perhaps have the city floating a few miles off shore to manage everything at best. Also Acherus is probably busy fighting off the now masterless scourge.

It’s worth pointing out that by having the Nerubians attack Dalaran, it obviously resulted in a lot of opened escape portals…thereby increasing the amount of Arcane energy the Dark Heart could siphon off.

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“Oh hey, a nice scene with Turalyon that doesn’t portray him like a total Mongrel.”

Plays out rest of the questline

Ok… Ice this Boomer.

There’s a side-quest where escaped Hold prisoners are being captured by a warden. So maybe it just crashed and let everyone loose.

I’m of two minds when it comes to the Arathai situation.

The Empire itself is obviously going to be an enemy, or at best a rival, to both the Horde and Alliance given what Faerin admits about them being less than tolerant of the other races, and even NPCs talking about putting down uprisings and their fanaticism about the Holy Flame, but I think the story is going to play out in one of two ways.


  1. Disney Vision Arathai Empire

Emperors tend to be above Kings and also tend to have ‘Divine Mandate’ behind them, at least in modern fiction. The Arathai Emperor is going to be entirely down to clown with the fanaticism and bias and it will be a standard “Overthrow the people gone mad with power” story-line with rebellious or conscientious objectors within the Empire, both amongst the nobility and the common/subjugated people/races helping us pull this off.

There’s also the issue that the Holy Flame isn’t pure Light. Fire must consume to sustain itself, and we see this aspect in the zealotry of the more hardline Arathai, and the traditions of burning the remains of the dead, and their belongings, as an offering to the Holy Flame. Everything must be given to the Holy Flame as thanks for its guidance and protection, no matter what. We’ve seen Elementals like Ragnaros and Neptulon aren’t strictly ‘pure’ like they claim to be. Ragnaros has magma aspects to his body, which is molten rock, and Neptulon has organic matter as well as air currents surrounding him. Dual-nature and even Para-mental Elementals have existed since Vanilla, and we’ve seen Fel-infused Fire and Earth elementals, Light elementals and even Void-infused Elementals. We know that where-ever the Arathai Empire is, it is located on the opposite side of the world, on the other side of this ‘impassable’ barrier where the Titans either did not or could not spread their influence. If Azeroth was truly under the domination of the Black Empire, did that mean that the other side of the planet was under the control of a Light-based Empire ruled by Naaru or other Light-aligned or -adjacent entities? Is there Light-Forged or -Bound Elemental Lords over there, either willing or unwilling, who aided these entities?

We know that Naaru will decay and fall to Void the longer they are around Mortals, so leaving proxies via Elementals, native to Azeroth and capable of reviving over and over again, now empowered and bound to the Light, to act as avatars of the Light’s will to the mortals who served and aided this Empire?

It may be, because the Light is of ‘Order’, that the Titans didn’t oppose this Empire because it was within their parameters for Azeroth’s function and they either didn’t want to, or couldn’t afford to, fight the Light in addition to the Fel with Sargeras off and refusing to answer his phone, or perhaps some sort of divine politics were involved? Either way, the barrier of storms and waves that destroy all passage to the other side of the planet might be a Titanic construct intended to keep the Old Gods and whatever Void-tainted remnants of the Black Empire contained to this part of the world, where the Titan Keepers and Watchers could deal with them, rather than risk the other, untainted side of Azeroth being infected with ‘Chaos’, be it from the Void or other Primal Powers.


  1. Subverting Expectations Arathai Empire

The Emperor is a puppet of those who rule the various ‘sectors’ of the government, a true Prophet of the Holy Flame but one whose ability to influence their own Empire is harshly constrained because it does not fit the agenda and narrative that their Generals, Nobles and High Priests wanted, and this quasi-immortal Emperor (Or Empress … we don’t know if the Emperor is one person, or a succession of those who are annointed by the Holy Flame and given prophetic powers as a result) is locked up in their big fancy castle … and milked for prophecies and visions, and held in check with the threat of purges and other horrific acts that will be explained to the people as The Emperor’s Direct Command if they don’t play along with their captors’ goals.

In this case, the Emperor is going along because its the least vile of the options on the table and so long as they do, there’s a chance that they can break free somehow and actually steer the Empire in the direction it was always meant to go before self-interest and bigotry twisted the Empire off-target. It would explain why the force we encounter in Hallowfall is the way it is, because the Emperor (or Empress …) received a vision that gave them hope that this horrible status quo could be broken and they very carefully nudged enough people who would be able to reach the goal into the expeditionary/scouting force and contact us, the only other forces on the planet that could not only defeat the Arathai Empire, but also save what’s left and help them get back onto their feet, and the correct path that the Holy Flame was guiding them towards.

And the entire armada was teleported to the region. Either that giant crystal did it … or the Emperor did, knowing that, at the time of their arrival, they’d destabilize the Horde and Alliance and hinder us more than help. But now, in their current state, they’re no threat to us, we can prove our use to the Empire and make (at least at first) positive first contact with the Empire and its de-facto leaders before things start to go sour, so we’ll have at least a toehold to launch an invasion, or counter any subjugation attempts by the Empire itself.


Or I could be pushing hot air out the wrong set of cheeks again. :dracthyr_shrug:

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Either of those options sound quite viable and quite awesome tbh. You really should get a job on the writing team one day, Gentarn!

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My head, so big, so round …

Gonna fly to America like a hot air balloon and submit my resume in person at this rate!

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