Listen, I rarely ever complain, in fact I'm what most would typically call a blizzard shill with how much I come to the defense of certain mechanics and the way things were set up for BoA. Plus, I'm sure this has been a gripe for the longest time here so obviously this isn't going to get anywhere but I just need to vent, so hear me out, please.
Some people use BG's as a means to help level up in between quests. So I'll be questing along and I'll queue up for BG's in order to help level up faster. Typically by doing this, if I get enough victories I can go through levels pretty quickly. I've only got 10 hours clocked on this character over 2 days and I'm already level 30.
However, in every bracket there are twink players in random BG's, not even ranked that just ruin the whole experience. Even with some level of scaling a single twink player regardless of class can global just about anybody in heirloom gear let alone people who are in regular quest stuff. It's a huge waste of time whenever I'm in a BG and the opposing team is a premade full of twinks. When every player is like a raid boss, there's no hope of victory, and it isn't fun.
Why can't twinks be relegated to purely competitive BG's where they would be more suited? It's like seal clubbing when they're allowed into random pub BG's full of people who are either doing it for fun, or people like me who do it to help them level up. If they're going to play in randoms, and the devs have already made it so everybody has a baseline item level in randoms, then just force them and everybody else to be at the same level unless they're playing competitively. That way they, and everybody else have to depend on talent and cooperation like it's supposed to be. Sure there will still be times where one team trounces the other, but at least being totally and hopelessly out geared won't be a factor.
Either that or just put it back to the way BG used to be and let people go in with what they have at the level they're at and do away with the illusion that there's some sort of an even playing field. Not everybody gears up a low level character just to dominate the lower tier brackets.
The best part is that I noted that a BG I was just in was filled to the brim on the other side with twinks, and the response I get from my own teammate is that if you aren't a twink, you're trash and shouldn't level in BG's. So what, BG's are off limits to people who are trying to use them to level up and have fun? Is that what it's come to? Just give people who lock their character level a separate BG bracket, it's not hard!
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Why do young, hairless effeminate men ruin battlegrounds for you?
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Twinks ruin Grindr too. BAN ALL TWINKS.
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
I didn't realize that twinking is still a thing. One thing is for sure there is no way they are as strong as the old school twinks. With the way gear/enchantments scale, the possible twinking potential is much smaller.
I guess that's why they allow them back in regular BGs
I guess that's why they allow them back in regular BGs
09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by DinamicI don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
I do them while I'm questing because they supplement experience gain quite nicely.
09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by AndrrasteI didn't realize that twinking is still a thing. One thing is for sure there is no way they are as strong as the old school twinks. With the way gear/enchantments scale, the possible twinking potential is much smaller.
I guess that's why they allow them back in regular BGs
It is. You're right that they aren't as powerful as they used to be because they only have gear level over others rather than that as well as level, but the difference between somebody who is fully geared out compared to somebody who isn't is quite a lot. They freeze their level at the end of the bracket, and then get the best gear they can, enchant it all, and can typically see an improvement of damage and survivability of at least 50% or more over a normal player.
Don't twinks have their own bgs?
So.. PvP happened and OP got thrashed, we should ban all twinks that're there enjoying what they're there for while OP is just passing by?
If you do Bgs while leveling you have to twink. If you don't care for it just level past it with quests which is more efficient.
09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by DinamicI don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
Me Either, I've always done pvp for just that, pvp, And as far as twinks go they have been a part of the game since I've been playing anyway, about the 3rd quarter of 2005 round about.
When I started PvP didn't gain XP at all; It wasn't until around the time BC was introduced that the XP gain was added to Battle Grounds and when that happened it infuriated the Twink Community as it was a big thing back then; They had their own twink guilds, It was big.
Blizzard I don't think realized how many subs they would lose but Twink Players started leaving in droves.
Blizzard quickly realized their mistake and put the stop XP NPC guys in the war rooms and a lot of players came back but not all.
I personally believe players that just want to level should do so but not in the battle grounds as I think PvP should be a free for all as battles are usually just following groups here or there in hopes of winning the battle.
Players that want to level have many ways to do so by Questing, Gathering Professions, Dungeons even just to grind and kill mobs for maybe rep or shards or whatever.
Twinks Only have a few areas that they can play and I believe that they are entitled to that area in PvP.
09/23/2018 10:10 PMPosted by WariyaDon't twinks have their own bgs?
I thought they locked twinks out of regular BGs... was never able to get into one b/c queues were hella long
09/23/2018 10:20 PMPosted by EpicbeardIf you do Bgs while leveling you have to twink. If you don't care for it just level past it with quests which is more efficient.
Wrong. If you're twinking, you're locking your level at the end of a level bracket and gearing up to the hilt to have the greatest advantage over other players. You literally can't twink if you're using BG's to level up because you can't get the best gear for that bracket until you're at the end of it, and at that point you're going to be past it before you even get the first piece of gear anyway.
09/23/2018 10:53 PMPosted by Velara09/23/2018 10:10 PMPosted by WariyaDon't twinks have their own bgs?
I thought they locked twinks out of regular BGs... was never able to get into one b/c queues were hella long
From what I understand, there was a point where twinks had their own bracket based on whether or not the player had locked the character's level. People (read: the players who twinked their characters out) complained about it and Blizz changed it back.
09/23/2018 10:17 PMPosted by NereezaSo.. PvP happened and OP got thrashed, we should ban all twinks that're there enjoying what they're there for while OP is just passing by?
No, don't ban twinks, just give them their own bracket. It's right there in the OP. Some games there aren't any twinks at all and those games are fun as all get out because the game is much more balanced. You get into a game where the other team has a bunch of twinks and the game is decided right from the beginning and it just isn't fun. It's frustrating and completely futile to even try to play against them.
09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by DinamicI don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
Me Either, I've always done pvp for just that, pvp, And as far as twinks go they have been a part of the game since I've been playing anyway, about the 3rd quarter of 2005 round about.
I personally believe players that just want to level should do so but not in the battle grounds as I think PvP should be a free for all as battles are usually just following groups here or there in hopes of winning the battle.
Players that want to level have many ways to do so by Questing, Gathering Professions, Dungeons even just to grind and kill mobs for maybe rep or shards or whatever.
Twinks Only have a few areas that they can play and I believe that they are entitled to that area in PvP.
If Blizzard intended that players shouldn't be able to supplement their leveling experience with PvP then experience should just be taken out of BG instances altogether. Again, what you're suggesting gets back to what I was saying originally, and that's BG's are off limits to players who are using them to have fun and gain experience. Obviously we still gain experience whether we win or lose, but the amount of experience gained changes dramatically based on whether we win or lose. When there are enough twinks on the opposing team, then it's a foregone conclusion that your team is going to lose basically no matter what, and you lose out on a bunch of experience.
Losing isn't so bad when you lose fairly, but never having a chance to begin with just plain sucks, especially when other players constantly berate and belittle you for "being trash" simply because you haven't chosen to play the game the same way they have by freezing your experience gain and gearing out a low level character.
With gear scaling twinking is a largely dead art. Enchants are scaled too. The only twinking still left is some usage of BoE's that have a minimum level that dips into the previous level bracket.
The biggest problem with lower level BG's is class scaling. Some classes and specs are far, far better than others at low levels.
The biggest problem with lower level BG's is class scaling. Some classes and specs are far, far better than others at low levels.
09/23/2018 11:12 PMPosted by AeschaaWith gear scaling twinking is a largely dead art. Enchants are scaled too. The only twinking still left is some usage of BoE's that have a minimum level that dips into the previous level bracket.
The biggest problem with lower level BG's is class scaling. Some classes and specs are far, far better than others at low levels.
As was mentioned before in another reply, there still is twinking, and it isn't necessarily a "dead art". Twinks may not have as much of an edge as they used to when they could both out gear and out level players, but with all the best gear and enchants they do have a significant edge on other players. It's all just compounded when they queue up in a group and are communicating through a third party VOIP program or even through the in game voice chat. Though that's not really the problem... if they were coordinating their efforts, but had equivalent gear to their opponents, they would still probably win, but it would be more like any other BG where one team is totally disorganized while the other just meshes well with each other.
09/23/2018 09:33 PMPosted by Tayswifty
Why can't twinks be relegated to purely competitive BG's where they would be more suited?
Nice try and it might work with the Gullible that really do not remember what a Twink is but nice try at Trolling though!
1) Since the day when patch 3.2 went live true Twinks have been relegated to their own lonely BGs with only other Twinks the minute a Twink voluntarily turned off the ability to gain XP in BGs.
2) Heirloom armor and weapons outscale anything a Twink can be equipped with from loot BOEs.
3) Things like Shadowleather Leg Armor and other Enchants now scale with level so no level there.
So what it comes down to is that you seem to be looking for any excuse for losing in BGs and you decided to use one that hasn't been useable since WotLK back in Aug. 2009!
09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by DinamicI don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
I used to always level in BG's along with questing. It used to be fun and then they ruined it!
09/23/2018 11:39 PMPosted by Rhorai09/23/2018 09:33 PMPosted by Tayswifty
Why can't twinks be relegated to purely competitive BG's where they would be more suited?
Nice try and it might work with the Gullible that really do not remember what a Twink is but nice try at Trolling though!
1) Since the day when patch 3.2 went live true Twinks have been relegated to their own lonely BGs with only other Twinks the minute a Twink voluntarily turned off the ability to gain XP in BGs.
2) Heirloom armor and weapons outscale anything a Twink can be equipped with from loot BOEs.
3) Things like Shadowleather Leg Armor and other Enchants now scale with level so no level there.
So what it comes down to is that you seem to be looking for any excuse for losing in BGs and you decided to use one that hasn't been useable since WotLK back in Aug. 2009!
The only time they are relegated now is if experience is turned off. They just leave right before the BG ends so as not to get the final experience. That circumvents the leveling for quite awhile. Haven't done any leveling in BG I guess :)
09/23/2018 11:42 PMPosted by Zandy09/23/2018 09:39 PMPosted by DinamicI don’t know about anyone else, but I NEVER queued for a BG as a means to level....
I used to always level in BG's along with questing. It used to be fun and then they ruined it!
Twinks always existed in BGs. Plus, BGs used to not give xp.
I'm kind of tempted now to make a twink. It's hilarious seeing these threads pop up.
Yeah whoever says it's dead is wrong. There is a dwarf female warrior in the 59 bracket 3 shotting everyone with 30 plus killing blows per match, and the next highest alliance has 2
Hi, you seem to be misinformed. Unless you have the 2 trinkets from PVP events that boost BG xp 50% each, it is NOT worth it. Questing>Dungeon>BG for XP.