Twinks Must be fixed

[Morgorgona-grobbulus]

[Glacial Stone] 2H mace and the [Seal of Wrynn] ring are not dungeon drops.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

@Chéézé-stormrage

But isn’t that what you’re after in the first place?

So you’re suggesting that people get the gear twinks have by simple moving to the next bracket, is that it?

Do you see how it’s not possible?

Reading comprehension and logic are not your strong points.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Ziryus-pagle

Right and since twinks don’t have to worry about that it’s totally fine for them to have their own queue

I do not disagree.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Morgorgona-grobbulus

Some twinks consider getting the gear while staying under-leveled part of the challenge (I’m not one of them, it’s a hassle).

Do you seriously not understand that Level 19 Gnome Warriors with the [Glacial Stone] 2H mace and the [Seal of Wrynn] ring are a thing? That these characters existed before XP gain could be disabled?

Oh they did, and they rerolled if they didn’t get what they needed before breaking a level cap. And even if that takes a few rerolls they still end up with a character with bis but no fear of leveling.

[Impsie-atiesh]

That’s so weird because twinks have been telling us for nearly 19 years now that twinking is purely about their passion of skillfully fighting other twinks, and has absolutely nothing to do with stomping levelers!

[Jeynar-mannoroth]

@Morgorgona-grobbulus

[Glacial Stone] 2H mace and the [Seal of Wrynn] ring are not dungeon drops.

Nor are they a full set of gear. This really isn’t the point you’re thinking it is. Doing a single level 16 req quest line and a single level 18 req quest line won’t level you above 19.

It was always mainly about the dungeon gear and there were ways to avoid getting xp from that.

@Chéézé-stormrage

Reading comprehension and logic are not your strong points.

You literally suggested that people level up to get on an even footing with twinks though.

Since “that’s what they’re after”.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

@Morgorgona-grobbulus

[Glacial Stone] 2H mace and the [Seal of Wrynn] ring are not dungeon drops.

Nor are they a full set of gear. This really isn’t the point you’re thinking it is. Doing a single level 16 req quest line and a single level 18 req quest line won’t level you above 19.

It was always mainly about the dungeon gear and there were ways to avoid getting xp from that.

At worst it was just an RNG check to get the gear before leveling out of a bracket that most leveling characters won’t hit(and it would be stupid for them to put the bis enchants on it if they do), but that’s still a finite time sink and once done there’s no danger of out leveling.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

You literally suggested that people level up to get on an even footing with twinks though.

Since “that’s what they’re after”.

Not at all. That is what your goal is in the bg. If they level, then they level. They still get the gear upgrade. Their goal is to level (not sit around and PvP with it’s sad XP gains at low levels and queue times). You are not presenting yourself and argument well.

[Jeynar-mannoroth]

@Chéézé-stormrage

Not at all. That is what your goal is in the bg. If they level, then they level. They still get the gear upgrade. Their goal is to level (not sit around and PvP with it’s sad XP gains at low levels and queue times).

OK so you can’t actually get the gear to fight the twinks unless you xp lock.

Which was my entire argument from the start I believe?

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

OK so you can’t actually get the gear to fight the twinks unless you xp lock.

Which was my entire argument from the start I believe?

You still don’t need to XP lock for the gear. Not by any means.

[Wushupanda-grobbulus]

maybe if you used another char to farm the dungeons, which is basically the same because you’re wasting time you could use to lvl

gaslighting bs. scared to death he might have to fight other twinks

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Wushupanda-grobbulus

maybe if you used another char to farm the dungeons, which is basically the same because you’re wasting time you could use to lvl

There are several ways. The best is a high level guildmate or friend to clear up to the boss that drops what you need and then go in the dungeon when they get to them. They kill the boss and you get the loot.

@Wushupanda-grobbulus

gaslighting bs. scared to death he might have to fight other twinks

I hope you didn’t mean me, because I would have no problem with that and I actually encourage it. At that point communication becomes key and a strategic plan must be formed. That makes BGs fun.

[Misanthra-atiesh]

@Chéézé-stormrage

You still don’t need to XP lock for the gear. Not by any means.

With realistic views of drops rates, yes you do.

20 runs of SM is going to see a leveler level up to 40 if 35 or higher. It was after all the basis to anti boost measures. Pay that dude 25 gold a run, fill xp bubbles.

Some were nice about this even. Buy a big block, save gold. 100 for 5 runs. Buy 4 runs get 1 free.

20 run break down. Being unrealistically nice, 50% of them drop a wanted item. so 10 runs actually have the BIS.

Being now more mean realistic…you now cut a percentage of legit /rolls. 3 melee want the weapon. 2 leathers want the leather.

And then lop off another percentage for the ninjya’s and thieves.

The hunter and rogue rolling on the (int caster) dagger from library since they can.

There is limited pvp gear from vendors till 60.

also these are level locked. X8 usually (28, 38, 48).

They get say 38 to 39.999 to enjoy this. and on to 40. And meet the 49 twinks . 8 levels to see that level 48 pvp vendor gear. 2 levels and now 50 bracket.

NGL…I won’t be hitting the 58 wsg/ab vendor stuff with the now 56 s.priest. I am Saving that honor for the 60 ding setup lol.

[Joziro-grobbulus]

I’m glad I’m not imaginary-friends who players who are too scrub to figure out how to buy/craft Agility+Stamina, Intellect+Stamina, or Strength+Stamina gear in a game that is 20 years old.

Blizz should definitely dumb down the game to the point that those players can master the already-easiest-MMO-to-ever-exist.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Misanthra-atiesh

With realistic views of drops rates, yes you do.

Literally, no. When you have a level 80 clear up until the one boss you need (as you wait outside) and then you go in and they kill the boss. I’m not sure and may be entirely wrong, but you might even be able to have the boss kill you and not get XP and then loot it after they are dead.

It would take a large amount of single boss runs to level up.

@Misanthra-atiesh

20 runs of SM is going to see a leveler level up to 40 if 35 or higher. It was after all the basis to anti boost measures. Pay that dude 25 gold a run, fill xp bubbles.

Again, we’re not talking about a full clear, only a single boss. The rest of your post is irrelevant by what I have stated above.

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

@Ziryus-pagle

Right and since twinks don’t have to worry about that it’s totally fine for them to have their own queue

They keep talking about gear progression and trying to apply it to twinks.

Twinks are an example of a hard stop on gear progression.

And when you point that out they pivot to ‘But progression can mean whatever you want it to!’ Move them goalposts, baby.

[Misanthra-atiesh]

Lets not have players game the system to keep it more honest.

We go down that route I could say why half butt it. dual box the game for just 1 month and have the boosted on the 2nd account run the main char through the dungeon.

Side note. I did that once when on a sale to try out a new class. Nice price, 1 month sub and done. Lets have a fun month of testing.

10+ runs and that very nice 2 hander in armoury (axe or hammer, can’t recall) never dropped.

that caster dagger in library only dropped once. So about 10% drop rate there based off a very limited personal sample size. I let the self carried hunter have it, ofc lol.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Zaalg-ashkandi

Twinks are an example of a hard stop on gear progression.

You believe that gear progression is end game?

@Zaalg-ashkandi

And when you point that out they pivot to ‘But progression can mean whatever you want it to!’

Progression is subjective. Imagine that.

@Zaalg-ashkandi

Move them goalposts, baby.

The only people moving the goal posts are people like you. You move them to fit your agenda. You do not take into account the other side. That makes you ignorant and devalues your simple minded arguments. I’m a nuetral stand point looking at both sides. You can only see one; Your own side.

[Chéézé-stormrage]

@Misanthra-atiesh

Lets not have players game the system to keep it more honest.

When has that never been an issue?

@Misanthra-atiesh

We go down that route I could say why half butt it. dual box the game for just 1 month and have the boosted on the 2nd account run the main char through the dungeon.

Why do that when we have guilds and friends?

@Misanthra-atiesh

Side note. I did that once when on a sale to try out a new class. Nice price, 1 month sub and done. Lets have a fun month of testing.

That is doable for some. Not all can or will put in the effort or monetary deductions.

@Misanthra-atiesh

10+ runs and that very nice 2 hander in armoury (axe or hammer, can’t recall) never dropped.

RNG is RNG.

@Misanthra-atiesh

that caster dagger in library only dropped once. So about 10% drop rate there based off a very limited personal sample size. I let the self carried hunter have it, ofc lol.

I commend you on that. They probably went on to be the most intellectual hunter in the lands.

I respect you and enjoy your posts. They are usually logical and have some modicum of thought portrayed in them. This just isn’t one of those times though. There are too many ways/routes for people to be competitive. It’s a simple matter of people not figuring it out or understanding how to do it. If players genuinely wanted to find a way to level through BG’s (even though it is slower than every other route and unpredicable) they would find a way. It’s nonsensical. *edit: it is gambeling for xp gains.