Twinks are Ruining Battleground Queues

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I take it you have never personally watched a stacked out blood dk one/two-shot literally everyone he can get to for an entire match, with a pocket healer keeping him there. That absolutely IS enough to lock down the average team of pugs/bots/afks.

So no, if you BG enough, can’t most people easily tell the outcome of the match within a few minutes? Why do you think so many afk out? They can tell.

It’s more that I refuse to quit, ever, but am just 1 person queueing into twinks by the party. Which they do, there are organized discords. So you stick around all game trying not to feed them deaths and get the most out of it, but you know it’s hopeless. And to a point, trying harder would only delay the loss. For those using BG weekend to level, slow losses make it not worthwhile.

Be realistic, nobody likes losing anything ever. Especially when you know there was never a chance to begin with, because the “fair” system includes too much RNG. Is it fun when you got grouped with underlevels, afks, ungeared, etc but the other team is full zug? Generally, no. Sure, I have super enjoyed the random pug vs premade BG where you actually band together and BEAT the premade, but this is rare and typically only at 80…where you have reduced the ability for half your team to come in with no effort at all.

So TLDR that is ultimately the problem, gear disparity.
Make queues match the average ilevel of the team it pits you against. Or, too complex, let’s just split by…hmm, I know!
xp on/xp off!
Remember they cut brackets into half the levels too? Think about it.

Everyone saying “retail was wrong” for their efforts to make a more balanced and enjoyable bg experience accessible to everyone…pretty telling which camp you’re on.
You just don’t want them to take away your fish in a barrel.

Yep, I know of him.

Speak of the devil, lol
Ogrekill makes unintelligible gestures.
Yeah…I have dgks post to scrolling combat text only.

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When I see farm/stable ghost capped 2 times in as many minutes…I see the sign.

I’d leave say LM, but sometimes I am alone there. Or if at the end of the range I see the other dude is like x1 (21,31,41). I like their spirit defending…but they are gonna die if left alone.

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Twinks have literally always been a bunch of parasitical degenerates sucking the blood out of the normal players who wanted to do leveling bgs.

They literally can’t even survive on their own, because they don’t even have enough players to have a viable bracket without normie levelers coming in to get slaughtered.

The solution was always simple: disable XP off. You want to feed yourself gear to pvp on, then fine, have at it, but you’re going to level out of your bracket doing so (and to avoid people avoiding captures in wsg or finishing games to avoid getting xp, just add XP for kills). It’s either that, or remove XP from bgs entirely and leave the twinks with only other twinks or bots to fight and watch how they suddenly don’t enjoy twink pvp anymore.

I’ve never understood the hand holding for such a pathetic and toxic group of players as twinks.

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The stuff that you do with the flag getting into untouchable spots is cringe asf and should’ve been fixed ages ago… Sadly blizz doesn’t care anyway…

I can’t wait for RDF to come out, twinks will have to wargame in record numbers. Might as well have your “fun” while you still can.

The level 29 bracket has been butchered to hell by the twink community. Almost 30 minutes in queue and no pop for both AB and WSG. First queue pop is full pregame twinks lol

lil update: that twink premade got bent and taken advantage of by a bunch of levelers and 2 twinks vs a full premade. LIGMA

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Basically. Missed honor can be made up by 80’s with WG marks. Its like 9 marks a packagee. That is 3 wins a week. A few 80’s have been there weekly since a month in.

With jj I just open world it. Nothing really good on the marks vendor store that i need so I am in the burn this now plan more and more.

I’d be assuming cata will jsut cut this over anyway like the old marks were for tbc and wrath drop.

Its going to honor one way or the other. At least this way leveling alts get decent gear if questing/mob drop is not working out well.

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same i’ll be in there flexing when bgs are dead

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Maybe tone down the broadcasts then. SFK is not exactly a m20 retail dungeon. Decent players can see interrupts no chat spam.

well that and most times its not really mattering. 2-3 people hit the mob with CC anyway lol. At least the dps is CC’ing then, take the good with the bad lol.

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Yes they do. Whether you Twink at low lvl or max level. Anytime you are upgrading gear or min/maxing you are Twinking.

Next phase the gear gap at max level will be more than at lower levels so people should just get used to gearing up in a gear based game. :man_shrugging: The whole point of playing the game is to Twink.

This is always the solution. If you don’t gear up for low lvl BG then just keep questing or level out of that bracket. It’s not complicated. It’s so selfish they want to ruin low lvl BGs and Twink just for the sake of lvling and they aren’t even going to be in that bracket for long. So selfish.

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Saying that doesn’t make it true. Sadly, it’s your whole premise.

It’s not hard google “Wow twinking”
1st result, " Twinks are below [level cap] [player characters]) who have gained powerful and uncommon gear for their level in their equipment slots."

2nd result - " winks are [player characters] below the [level cap] who have gained the best powerful gear for their level with enhancements such as expensive weapon enchants, leg patches and BoE/BoP greens, blues or epics"

3rd result - “asically, having a low-level alt, and obtaining the absolute best possible gear they are able to equip, with enchants, gems, and any other items that maximize the amount of power they can have at the low level.”

4th result - " In [massively multiplayer online role-playing games]), or MMORPGs, twinking refers to a character gaining equipment with the assistance of a higher [level]) character, particularly by giving the low-level character higher level equipment that is otherwise unattainable"

Whoa look at what they ALL have in common.

That you’re wrong.

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Yep.

There is a distinction between upgrading and twinking.

Twinks never leave the bracket. Upgraders…the more successful we are the faster we leave the bracket.

A tale of last CTA AV weekend. Horde (I was running the blood elf DK) at a certain time saw the same team of alliance 70 twinks over the whole weekend.

I saw them from 67 till I broke 71 to leave this mess. They were xp off. Alliance winning for 2 days even with 70 being slow as hell they’d have made 71 in no time at all.

4 towers and drek drop…is very nice XP returns. I’ve made a few alliance alts in av. I know this.

Now when I hit 70 I did upgrade. I gemmed up too. To now put myself where the twinks might go. For 1 level.

And then I leveled to 71 and was gone. Alliance’s fresh 61’s did not have to fear me rushing them on IBT.

I…was getting my teeth kicked in in the 71+ bracket. Brutal levels it out but that 79 has final levels to skills and some more stats.

Its still way better than the 61 to 70 bracket and brutal 70’s roll stomping 61’s.

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Wrong in so many ways. Twinks contantly que for Arena skirmishes and face off with other twinks. The normal players do NOT que for skirmishes. They may try it 1 time and then they find out that they need to actually have gear so they dont bother after that. But the twinks do. They expect to go against other twinks. So there is your proof that they do indeed have no problem facing other twinks and in fact know that they are most likely going to face only other twinks.

The reason they complained about being seperated in bgs was because there were not enough twinks at most times to allow for a game to start. They tried. They did not have a problem being seperated. Most twinks are just alts that max level players make to give them something to do. So they may jump on them on a non raiding night and other borimg times. Those times differ for everyone so unless they coordinated to agree on a specific time, ques would never pop.

Your analogy of a nba player being in your pick up game is total nonsense. First of all, the only reason ppl use analogies is because they cant argue the ACTUAL case. So they try to compare it to something that IS NOT THE SAME, yet claim its the same. In your analogy, you can not compete with an nba player because he has way way way more talent than you, or 99.9 percent of us have. We can never compete. In battelgrounds you CAN get better gear and if you are the correct countet class, not only compete, but maybe even dominate another twink. The difference is you have a choice. You choose to not gear your character, thats fine, stop whining about it. With the nba player, you dont have a choice. There is nothing you can do to be able to compete. Stick the the actual situation and stop with the “its like…” no, its like what it is. Nothing else.

Like me saying, “You are like one of those lazy crybaby players that whine in the forums because they cant stand that another player put in more effort and has better gear”. Oh, wait…yeah

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Thanks! I needed a good laugh this morning.

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Omg. TMI. Nobody wants to hear about you waking up and using the bathroom.

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Except I’m not.

The problem still remains that a “Few” players don’t understand this is an RPG (gear based game) If you want to compete you need gear/power before doing so and that is what makes RPG PvP the real PvP.

So Twinking is just participating in the very basic core game design of the genre of game.

You mean like max level? :rofl:

Seriously the delusional takes in this thread that ignore what type of game this is has been amusing.

Lets also keep in mind the reason PvP players Que BGs is to stomp the other team, it’s to compete to be at the top of the score board. You want to go 35-1 or 42-2. That is what is fun in BGs seeing how many KBs you can get vs your friends or 1 shot someone. That is the reason why BGs have been successful. It caters to what PvP players want. Which is dominating their opponents.

This is never going to change. So Twink away at low level or max level and own up and stomp people. That is what RPG PvP is about.

The people that complain don’t understand what game they are playing.

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I don’t think you know what an RPG is lol.

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I don’t think you do apparently.

RPG has evolved it’s definition that encompasses different genre’s of gaming over the decades. When you say RPG in this type of genre of MMORPGs you are talking about a gear progression game. I know it, the Devs know it, everyone who is playing this game knows it.

RPG definition:
MMORPGs mix many different elements from the other sub-genres, although they’re usually very combat-oriented with a strong focus on collecting rare and powerful items to enhance the character’s abilities or its appearance.

Famous titles include World of Warcraft (WoW)

Taken from:
https://www.techopedia.com/definition/27052/role-playing-game-rpg

WoW is an MMORPG (gear based game.) The whole point is to gain new power through rare or unique items to then defeat your enemies. That is what is exciting about RPGs is the power gain and using that power to destroy anyone who would challenge you.

The problem is… Which I have highlighted many, many times that a “Few” people are trying to skip that most important aspect of the game (Gaining power through Gear). You can’t skip this step in this genre. You aren’t playing the game and have no right to complain about it. You should be enjoying a gear advantage or trying to attain one.

This is why RPG PvP is better then other games where gear doesn’t matter. It’s the real PvP. You need to attain the power of the gods then bend it to your will to slaughter your foes. It’s why we log in.

Now you know.

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Whether it’s against “officially” twinked out opponents, or not.
If your gear is not up to par, you’re gonna get wrecked. I consider this common sense.

I just dinged 80 on this priest, gs barely 3k.
I will not que for WSG, or even randoms, until I get some more pieces, because I know I will be detrimental to my team. Again I consider this common sense.

Make a twink, get better gear for your main, improve your predicament.

…Or go whine on the forums I guess.

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So what you meant to say was MMORPG, not RPG.

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Making a complaint is understandable, but suggesting players be placed in a separate bracket makes the post invalid.

Anti-twinkers who only suggest separate brackets are advocating for discrimination against players who twink simply for acquiring the best gear they can get, which other players can also get.

I have suggested in another post that if Blizzard considered addressing twinking, it would be preferable to put stat or gear limits because, believe it or not, some players with their alts enjoy staying in certain brackets and not having to spend so much time and be forced to level all the way to level cap.

The fact that anti-twinkers suggest separate brackets time and time again is rather telling. It sounds personal and vindictive.

You want to punish players simply because you were outplayed.

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80 is not all that bad. From a BG perspective. the common perspective to leveling. Its only bg.

Full deadly, furious and relentless allowed for unrated is workable. I am content in how it works.

vice like my bit about the 70 AV twinks. that gear is miles above even the 60 honor gear. and classes like dk, don’t even get that. they made no 60 gear for dk.

also I am a retail tourist who got an immigrant visa for wrath so to speak lol.

wrath level cap is way better off than SL level cap BG. and even DF. A full arena geared 80 is nowhere near as bad a full upgrade conquest with some tier from SL season 3.

DF, every time I go there once in a blue moon I need to see combat logs. I blinked my eyes and died. The logs show me what killed me in .5 seconds lol.

In wrath feral druid is, well, its feral. till ICC anyway. some rant threads on it sims well for icc. A full geared bear druid in retail season 3 was a player run raid boss. you’d need 6+ people to drop them.

Send 4 people…that bear was getting +4 hk’s. 6 people that bear was dying, maybe 2-3 people would walk away from it. the bear was still killing something lol.