Twinks are now just leaving BGs early

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I’m trying to think of a bracket that has gear that is “impossible” for the “average leveler” to get.

I can’t think of any.

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This game was fun. Half my team did under 10k damage.

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Two different populations… My response was to the guy upset that my fixes to delete twinks from the universe would also impact twink raiding… His population is statistically irrelevant.

Twinks on the other hand… should be Thanos-Snapped from existence…

But regarding twink populations, it’s either:

  1. They have enough people to support their playstyle independently (In which case they should be filling up the XP-Off bracket)

  2. ^#1, but with the caveat that they simply choose to smurf XP-On brackets because they’re degenerate sub human trash incapable of fighting vs people actually capable of fighting back

  3. They don’t have enough of a population to matter in any manner whatsoever if they are deleted from existence, and are in fact just a useless parasite feeding off a larger host (normal players).

Pick one, and make your own claims on Twink population metrics… We know it isn’t option #1, because no one would care if they just stuck to their own bracket… which means twinks are either intentionally (option #2) or unintentionally (option #3) parasites killing off low level pvp and all around terrible human beings. Frankly, I don’t for the life of me understand why Blizzard ever passively supported twinks to begin with, they’re quite literally the single worst kinds of players.

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When players see emotions running this deep, how can they not want to make one?

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Id say players who show up to Bgs with missing gear slots, or those who ignore objectives are the worst kind. That’s just me though.

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I know this is a day old but my opinion in legion templates were way better. We all knew they werent going to give us vendors and without vendors having no templates is a crap shoot. Having templates that you can tweak a bit would be the best bet going forward.

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Hushpup,

First off, I’d like to say that I understand your personal desire to level without heirlooms etc. I think Solo Self-Found can be an enjoyable way to level and I have a character doing it too for nostalgia’s sake and Project 60 play. However; I think we both know that those very niche ways to play and are not the standard leveling practice for the majority of players these days. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Head, shoulder, neck pieces, and trinkets are available as standard heirlooms too. When I first returned to the game after being gone for seven years (!!) the first thing I did was fill in a full set of heirlooms for my character. It was a good deal of gold for someone who was dirt-floor poor relative to the current economy, but it was still doable for an old 85 level character.

With heirlooms in the head, neck, shoulders, back, chest, legs, weapon, and two trinkets I was set to start leveling. The old bracers, gloves, belt, and boots I was wearing (again, after seven years of absence) were sufficient to keep me from getting roflstomped in BGs. I couldn’t afford enchants at the time, but that didn’t keep me from being able to participate. Was I a twink? No, I was purposefully leveling. Was I unable to defend myself and/or get curbstomped with impunity every time I left the GY? No.

Even now, if I decide to start a new character they begin with heirlooms in every slot except bracers, gloves, belt, and boots. If I did start another character to level would I enchant a couple items? Yes. A good neck and weapon enhancement is very useful for leveling and makes killing quest and dungeon mobs that much easier.

I’m pretty sure I’ve written this as Lucritius - Wyrmrest Accord. I’d ask that you please take a quick look at his armory. He’s definitely a twink by my definition and intent, but you’ll see that the majority of his gear are either heirlooms or came from BGs. I’ll grant you that the two engineering pieces required some effort above and beyond what I’d consider the average leveler being willing to put into a low level character and his current trinkets were earned by my 120 specifically for PvP. However; the standard Inherited Mark of X PvP trinkets and the Swift Hand of Justice trinket are regular heirlooms available via gold or Marks of Honor.

tl:dr- An average player has easy access to heirlooms for nearly all slots. The pieces needed to fill the remaining slots are commonly dropped from random dungeon and battleground reward containers. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to expect that a player who is running dungeons and battlegrounds in addition to questing has a good chance of getting pieces to fill on non-heirloom slots.

Furthermore, while enchanting/enhancing gear may be “a step beyond” what the typical player may think of, getting a couple of good enchants for heirloom pieces that will be used for a long time is a sound investment for all aspects of leveling play.

Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

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I also disagree with this statement. If the development team didn’t want people using certain item enhancements they would have ilvl limited them. Many of the BiS enchantments for lower levels can’t be applied to items with an ilvl above 136, for example. The Northrend belt grenade tinker can’t be used by characters below level 58 and adding that tinker to an item makes it soulbound, therefore unusable by lower level characters.

These two things lead me to believe the dev team has intentionally decided enhancements such as Elemental Force, Mark of the Hidden Satyr, and Incendiary Ammuniation are suitable for low-level play. These are also enchantments which can be applied to heirlooms, making them a good investment for questing, dungeon running, and battlegrounds during leveling.

Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

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So, you must take off your gear before entering bgs then, because you certainly wouldn’t be in there killing characters that just dinged when you outgear them by like 175 ilvls, right? I mean, of course you wouldn’t do that after a tirade like this, because that would be super hypocritical.

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The development team literally moved twinks away from everyone else again. I think it’s pretty clear what they want. The only reason they merged twinks back into que with everyone else is because of stat templates. Then did away with stat templates, saw the mistake and corrected it. I cannot believe that twinks are still like “Omg blizz must have made a mistake”

They very obviously knew what they were doing. It’s not like towards the end of the update they were like “Hey last minute change! Let’s separate the queues again” They moved you and didn’t even tell you. They treated you in the worst way, and twinks are still like “Please blizz, help us out”

It’s like Blizzard is your really really really hot girlfriend who cheats on you all the time, but you stay with her anyways.

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Hail Sithis! Sorry, had to. :slight_smile:

I was strictly discussing enchantments and other item enhancements here. What I was talking about has nothing to do with queue separation.

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True, my B. There’s so many twinks in this forum now it all kinda runs together. My head is starting to spin.

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You and me both, man. That’s also one of the dangers of having a few topics with a large number of responses rather than more topics with a more targeted discussion.

Cheers,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

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Because it was profitable to them, would be my best guess.
I know a lot of twinks, myself included, that would realm/faction/race change, buy tokens for gold, ect.

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Back in the day they spent a LOT of money to go to the pro-twinking battlegroup.

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Mhm… which translated into cold hard cash in Blizzard’s hands.

Heck, earlier this month I spent money on… let’s see… 1 faction and realm change for myself, 2 faction and realm changes for a friend, and 2 faction changes for my daughter, and bought 2 gold tokens to support my twink family, so Blizzard made a decent little chunk of change off of me twinking.

I don’t regret it per-say, but I am extremely sad that after going through such great lengths, that it was all for nothing, since we can’t get BG’s to pop.
We don’t even get a timer, we’ve tried =/

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I don’t think people understand that people don’t mind separation its the fact qs don’t pop

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Oh I agree. I know the mindset for me, my friend, and my daughter, was we wanted to fight other twinks.
And we would gladly still do so if the brackets were populated enough to be viable.
I know a few last night who tried to get a game going, and exp: off players couldn’t even queue together, kept getting an error message when trying to queue.

We even tried queuing separately, and got as many twinks in the 80’s bracket to queue up on both sides as we could find.
Nope… no timer at all, and a game never popped :frowning:

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The reason your queues don’t pop is because you don’t have the population to sustain yourselves… And I’d argue that many, if not the overwhelming majority of you, only care about having an unfair advantage over under geared players rather than actually having a relatively balanced game and so will do absolutely any and everything to desperately cling to that advantage. All because your kind is too lazy to play at the one area of the game pvp is even attempted to be balanced around, and where everyone legitimately has a fair shot at -earning- their gear over time, and not just buying their gear/enchants in 5 minutes at the ah.

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19s and 29s do. Been said many times. The other brackets have players but it’s not like there’s even 50 of them. This is why the twink complaint was blown way out of proportion. The first couple brackets are still a super mess without twinks.