Twinking/BGS/brackets feedback

More like they hate alternative playstyles like twinking so much that they intentionally broke it in both retail and classic.

I dont think breaking it was intentional. I think the concept looked great on paper, but then once it went live it fell apart. They need to scrap the idea and come up with something new. the lack of response on this since it was a problem in past expansions is just laughable.

I was showing 4 minute averages as alliance in the 60-69 bracket this morning. :man_shrugging: Didn’t seem bad while leveling my horde mage either. It may just be because everyone’s home and there’s an experience doubler active though.

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Using details! damage meter I compared other warriors’ abilities to mine: rampage for rampage and whatever other fury warrior abilities are called to the same ones.

This was before the separation, and I am not sure what BiS was at the time or what has changed since, I just copied the XPOff website recommendations for 39 warriors.

That’s just a common lie some twinks say to make it seem like they were necessary for queue times.

its the double xp. im killing leveling players 2 and 3 at a time in 110. ive seen players with as low as 15k hp. they’re enjoying free xp even for a loss but cant take 15 mins out of their day to do the HoA quest and get the first free az piece.

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man you should have to check this out just like a library book no way im reading all that

What’s going happen to level squish
The 120 twinks to 50

my mistake, they were dead before corona and the exp boost

it was hard to get games at all from 60-100

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120 => 50

60 => 25

12 => 5

I am assuming either the brackets will be the same 10-19 (made up of squished 10-19, so 24 - 47? In today’s levels) or they might go the Korrak’s route and make all 10-59 one bracket.

Just a guess

Its pretty true though, but right now the brackets are absolutely booming due to the amount of people leveling characters. Before this event I could even hit 30 minutes in the 19 bracket because nobody was leveling anything but allied races.

Previously I’d hit up to 45 minutes in a queue, but that is Horde so there may be differences between the factions.

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Leveling brackets certainly don’t need twinks. The problem is a lot of time and interest was invested into twinks that can no longer be played because organized exp off games either can’t be supported or fell apart. To be clear, this largely had to do with a shortage of players in each individual bracket but there was a lot of factors involved.

There is 12 brackets for a far smaller population to split between - of course it wasn’t going to work! So immediately every nonpopular twink bracket died overnight. With the popular brackets there was inevitably some drama and people weren’t used to having to use voice chat (some people don’t like to talk and that can be a problem) to be competitive, not everyone was same skill level, balance limitations on usable number of classes/specs/roles met with resistance. Casual twink pvpers had to adapt to essentially what max level RBGs are. There was definitely some players that just wanted to crush levelers so they quit but it’s beyond frustrating when people use that reasoning as to why twinks can’t support their own separate bracket.

Then we get to the issue of only being able to play during scheduled times. Times that some players can’t even log on for. Who wants to go from being able to play 24/7 to 4-8 hours a week and only on Tuesday and Thurdsays from 5 PM EST to 9PM EST? Who wants to get benched cause there is only 1 game running and you are the “extra”. Why even bother with all the hoops to jump through.

Perhaps the biggest factor being Blizzards blatant ZERO notice change that they were too ashamed to document even in hotfix notes. I’m pretty sure the only time Blizzard acknowledged that a change was made was through a twitter response days later. It’s obvious to me they wanted to avoid the public backlash like when they tried to entirely remove the ability for 110+ characters to disable their exp. They ended up backing out of that decision. We can’t fight to prevent them from making the BG split simply because we were never informed it was going to happen. Twinks had no way to prepare themselves. Blizzard is learning how to game the playerbase: don’t tell them, just change it.

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It was, and if memory serves, it wasn’t even US, it was EU that copped to it.

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Blizzard is Twinkist, it’s true.

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Yup, there’s the tweet. Lol, read through the comments and you’ll see all the backlash they were stealthily trying to avoid.

Someone commented: “The main reason I was playing WoW was to twink. I don’t really care about being able to stomp on leveling toons. I care about how long the queues will be. I can’t play the game the way I want to anymore.”

I feel that and mentioned it in my post. From 24/7 games to no games, or games only on x/y/z. If you truly just want to stomp levelers you can make throw away leveling twinks but it definitely is not the same as playing your long time twink characters in your favorite brackets.

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whats funny about legion is at the “nines” like 19,29,39 etc only players at the top of the bracket could use food in bg’s. also we had about 15% higher stats by boosting our ilevel. there was also trick for tank classes that if you switched specs IN the bg you got double the base stamina. yah legion was soooooooo much better for levelers(sarcasm).

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t//34955/3

They didn’t really solve anything. They simply turned trial and vet accounts (and those willing to exploit) into the new twinks and made the queues longer while pissing off a whole segment of their playerbase at the same time.

Edit:…and twitter announcements :roll_eyes:. They need to announce in their own forums and on their own patch notes, not in social media cesspools. The erosion of professionalism in this game is appalling.

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I love when twinks say that. It’s the only reason to make a twink in the first place. They’ve been saying they don’t care for so long they actually believe it’s true.

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Tired old broad brush statement.

Yes, plenty of twinks were there to oppose other twinks. I was one. Rocax was one. Lasagna was one. We logged on to BG some lowbies we had for fun and found horde twinks on the other side. None of us had lowbie BG’d in quite awhile and did not know twinks were even a thing anymore. We’re old players that twinked way back, watched our team of levelers get stomped, and decided to twink in retaliation and level out the playing field.