Turn down running lower keys cause they didn’t want to mess up their vault

[Drluming-baelgun]

Had guildies turn down running lower keys cause they didn’t want to mess up their vault.

Had this happen over and over. Had pugs in other runs say they have been told the same thing by others.

So much for getting help with lower keys.

This whole Xpac is TRASH. Just done with it. What an absolute terrible design that is forcing players NOT to help others.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

Supposedly if you run only one dungeon, you can only get loot in your vault from that particular dungeon.

[Arithawn-area-52]

I have no idea how doing lower keys would mess up their vault…

@Debbyfrowner-thrall

Supposedly if you run only one dungeon, you can only get loot in your vault from that particular dungeon.

And this is complete BS…the past 2 weeks I’ve gotten gear from ToP and I didn’t run it either week.

[Airis-hyjal]

Running lower keys doesn’t mess up your vault. It just means the run doesn’t really do anything for them other than valor, and they still have to run more higher dungeons to fill the vault.

Also running one dungeon still means your vault is from the whole pool of dungeons.

[Funbear-dalaran]

I like thrash.

[Coggali-stormrage]

As someone else already pointed out, that’s not how the vault works. There is no negative affect on the vault from doing lower keys.

The only situation where this would matter is if they said “We are only running 4 keys this week” and one of them was lower than the ilvl they are targeting.

[Arithawn-area-52]

@Drluming-baelgun

Had guildies turn down running lower keys cause they didn’t want to mess up their vault

Long story short…your guildies don’t know how the vault works or they just didn’t want to help you.

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

@Drluming-baelgun

Had guildies turn down running lower keys cause they didn’t want to mess up their vault

So the issue is that your guildies don’t understand the system then?

@Drluming-baelgun

This whole Xpac is TRASH. Just done with it. What an absolute terrible design that is forcing players NOT to help others.

So…that’s got nothing to do with the systems. Clearly neither you nor your guildies understand the vault, it is literally impossible for doing lower keys to ruin your vault.

@Arithawn-area-52

And this is complete BS…the past 2 weeks I’ve gotten gear from ToP and I didn’t run it either week

I honestly thought their post was sarcasm lol.

But I think you were right, they were being legit about it.

[Ápples-lightbringer]

The only thing you can “lose” by running low keys is the time it takes to do them.

The vault only cares about the 10 highest keys finished (doesn’t matter if timed or not) then it lists those 10 by the highest rank to the lowest rank of the top 10. It then picks the highest, 4th highest, and 10th highest key rank to determine Ilvl of the vault rewards.

The order you do them in doesn’t matter
The amount of other keys you do beyond the 10 highest rank don’t matter

You can not “mess up” or “ruin” your vault unless you have some kind of >self imposed< limit of only doing 10 a week and if you run a 4 then you refuse to do 11 that week to get another 14+ in.

[Lån-sentinels]

Here is the exact rundown on how the Vault works for Mythic+.

Calculating the ilvl of Great Vault Mythic+ Loot

For Mythic Plus Dungeons, the item level is determined by the Highest / 4th Highest / 10th Highest Key that you completed for the week. What this means is:

If you completed fewer than 4 M+ dungeons in a week, on reset, you would get one item offered in your Great Vault. Its ilevel would be based on the highest level dungeon that you completed.

If you completed more than 4 but fewer than 10 M+ dungeons in a week, on reset, you would get two items offered in your Great Vault. The first one’s ilevel would be based on the highest level dungeon that you completed. The second one’s ilevel would be based on the fourth highest level dungeon that you completed.

If you completed more than 10 M+ dungeons in a week, on reset, you would get three items offered in your Great Vault. The first one’s ilevel would be based on the highest level dungeon that you completed. The second one’s ilevel would be based on the fourth highest level dungeon that you completed. The third one’s ilevel would be based on the tenth highest level dungeon that you completed.

These numbers are based on the levels of actual dungeons completed, not on the levels alone. Also note, that the order in which you complete your dungeons is irrelevant; your keys will be sorted from highest to lowest. Here is how that works:

During a week, let’s say you complete the following keys: +15, +15, +15, +14, +14, +13, +13, +10, +10, +10, +10, +10, +8, +6, +6.

• Your first reward will be a Mythic Level 15 reward (Highest Key).

• Your second reward will be a Mythic Level 14 reward (4th Highest Key).

• Your third reward will be a Mythic Level 10 reward (10th Highest Key).

You are now at the maximum number of choices for completing Mythic+ content. You can still complete more M+ dungeons without compromising the item levels that you have earned, and you can work to raise the item levels of your choices. In the above example, completing three more M+ dungeons at +11 or above will raise the item level of your third choice, completing one at +15 or above will raise your second choice, and, of course, completing anything over+15 will increase your first choice.

[Khileeha-sargeras (Khileeha)]

Ya its trash the solution is simple. Keys give give points then like honor vault rewards you get your loot from capping points towards.

Your higher keys give more points so you get done quicker however…you could run tons of low keys to fill up the bar too.

But no…blizz says its 10 keys for you herp derp hur…

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

That is great information which will undoubtedly be overlooked by OP because I think they simply want to be angry about something they don’t understand. (And probably don’t care to)

At the end of the day if you do a lower key and you get a lower vault reward from it, it is simply because you were never going to get that option in the first place.
This seems to be what OP and others don’t seem to understand.

@Khileeha-sargeras

Ya its trash the solution is simple

It’s not trash though, OP simply has no understanding of the system.

Not saying there aren’t better solutions but OP is complaining about an issue that doesn’t exist.

[Lån-sentinels]

@Haavi-barthilas

which will undoubtedly be overlooked by OP because I think they simply want to be angry about something they don’t understand

Quite a good possibility.

We cannot change misinformation for their guild members, but perhaps this information is something they can pass along for better clarification.

[Ápples-lightbringer]

Maybe, but putting out correct information rather than letting wrong info keep spreading will help limit the number of threads we have to keep seeing about how people are “ruining” their vaults to help their whoever’s that they ran a 5 with and that blizzard needs to fix it!

[Braamabull-illidan]

Help understand? Nah just come to forums and rage!

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

@Khileeha-sargeras

Ya its trash the solution is simple.

There is nothing wrong with the way the vault unlocks, the OP is just poorly informed. Unless you are only going to run enough instances to reach a certain unlock point, it won’t hurt you to run a few “lower level” ones with friends. At most it will unlock a vault tier they probably wouldn’t have unlocked to begin with.

If you have already run 10 instances, running a billion 2’s will have ZERO impact upon your vault rewards. You have enough experience to know this and with the way the current valor system works, more and more people are running low keys purely for fast valor gains.

[Kahlie-dragonblight]

@Caelin-boulderfist

If you have already run 10 instances, running a billion 2’s will have ZERO impact upon your vault rewards

Edit:
That is correct.
As we told you Op, in the other thread, that’s just not how it works.

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

That is exactly how it works. Your first vault is based upon your highest instance completed. The 2nd is based upon the fourth highest and the 3rd is based upon the tenth highest. So the only time running a low key can hurt your great vault level is if you only plan upon running enough to unlock a certain level and nothing more.

But if you run 4 15’s and then 6 2’s, it won’t change your first or second unlock and it will open the third that you hadn’t already opened anyways.

[Evast-akama]

Okay, for a second I thought I was going nuts. He really just copied and pasted his reply in another thread to make his own thread?

Me thinks me needs to take back my take back and claim they’re using this excuse as a reason to not run with you

[Haavi-barthilas (Haavi)]

Sounds like they were meaning to reply to OP and quoted your post as reference.

Could be wrong, but that is the impression I got. (As clearly your information was correct)