Tuning posted

[Offensive-scilla]

Where is the ret love

[Cocainthief-illidan]

@Emmå-sargeras

Even cast without faking a kick

do it off double coil or off infernal stun or eat stops with fear then start casting it or play with a rogue or feral that makes every1 unable to stop u

[Kennie-malganis]

@Emmå-sargeras

The billion micro ccs makes CB hard

@Emmå-sargeras

disarm a rogue in blades and

So with CC people can’t reactively press to stop stuffs in most cases without burning major cd like ibf or trinket

[Emmå-sargeras]

Destro is by far the most fun warlock spec to play, I loved in DF. I’m terrible at it this xpac but I like it getting some love

[Loulock-malganis]

Think i’d rather see incin hit a little bit harder, conflag definitely needed love and sburn/portals could of done with something. You are most likely especially with these changes, just going to be running otherwise you die so idk.

[Bitterman-barthilas]

@Emmå-sargeras

Destro is by far the most fun warlock spec to play,

Winning is fun though.

[Emmå-sargeras]

True that. Some classes have to play twice as hard as others to win

[Tavington-sargeras]

Mountain thane fury warrior is super fun in bgb. You can cleave way harder than arms with it.

Kinda crazy the loop marks has taken as well. BA will be close to as big as when it released after this change. They really need to replace withering fire, because at some point the threshold will be crossed and marks will go from very bad to accidentally oneshotting people when procs line up at the right time.

I think unholy is gonna be really good again.

[Bitterman-barthilas]

With the cb buff, it’ll might actually feel rewarding to cast.

[Emmå-sargeras]

I’ll try it out tonight! My Friday and I want to get some games in

[Christtel-stormrage]

Why is arms getting buffed

[Kennie-malganis]

Because it’s terrible.

Oh, and still likely will be.

[Tryhard-kelthuzad]

I guess i’m the only one having fun as affliction right now?

[Emmå-sargeras]

I def don’t have fun going against them lol.

[Futamsine-bleeding-hollow]

Rshaman still needed Earth shield to not be purgeable. Being the weakest healer to purge because of the reliance on reactive warding is so random and crippling. Constantly having to reapply it just compounds on Rshaman already having the worst healer mana. Other healers don’t have to even think or worry about their stuff getting purged at all. The Mistweaver baseline purge protection is so nutty it’s not even worth purging against them most of the time

[Catco-moon-guard]

Return of teh super gosus

[Kinsington-stormrage]

[Christtel-stormrage]

Arms was in a good place already. I guess this is where it starts… the round of 3% incremental buffs that end up turning arms into S tier yet again

[Kennie-malganis]

@Christtel-stormrage

Arms was in a good place already.

No, it wasn’t.

@Christtel-stormrage

I guess this is where it starts… the round of 3% incremental buffs

Arms has been getting buffs for months because it’s bad.

[Nasrajin-sargeras]

@Loulock-malganis

I think double incarn is the only dumb thing about boomie rn, apart from that feels solid. Incarns scary, you can kinda carry the game etc. I’d say it’s in a good spot

Oh I think boomy is definitely good now. It’s just in an interesting spot because it’s stronger offensively than it has ever been (seriously, dream burst casted wraths and the double incarn is just unbelievable for offensive pressure. It’s like 2mil damage in a global of burst dps with proper setup; literally better than chaos bolt)

@Loulock-malganis

Idk man these changes are so so bad

I actually think the changes are pretty good. I’m surprised that bm didn’t get touched, but I don’t think anything got a buff or nerf that didn’t deserve it. I think the sacred weapon change was awesome for paladins, and I think the damage redistributions for lock and WW are also very good.

@Loulock-malganis

Was expecting more than just bolt damage too, heck should’ve buffed icin, conflag and a lil sburn buff instead of bolt damage. Maybe even portals a bit or something.

I think they wanted to keep instant cast damage from getting too oppressive, hence the bolt and immolate buffs and nerf to wither.

@Uglybaldbaby-moon-guard

Anyway how many 10% damage buffs for DH are we away from S3/4 DF? We gotta be getting there soon, they’ve have a lot of those.

I’m not sure DH needed a buff or how impactful those will be, but its still quite a bit different from S3/4 DF because it’s not on throw glaive passively being applied rotationally AND from range AND a bleed so you can’t even kite them. Also they’re squishier which helps.

@Bathroom-crusader-strike

people who call for fury nerfs at this time are completely terrible players

I’m not sure I agree with this. Fury is absolutely insane and DUMPSTERS SP/Lock, especially when enabled by a paladin. Turbo is arguably the strongest comp on the ladder RN and it’s not just because they’re running over shadow priests. I’m not saying fury is broken, but it’s definitely on the strong side and HARD counters the things it beats up on.

@Emmå-sargeras

Not all rogue specs are good. Outlaw is nutty, assa is okay unless they’re the kill targe

I think assa is also very survivable. Not as much as the other two obviously, but assa+lock/boomy is VERY strong.

@Bathroom-crusader-strike

how about we ask actual high rated players who post here and see what they say?

@Remi

What the heck, I’m higher than Remi and he DODGES ME! >:(

@Cocainthief-illidan

boomy is already triple S+tier if you play with a rogue

Yes. Boomy + outlaw is one of if not the best comps in the game IMO.

@Cocainthief-illidan

Just regular S without one.

Less sure about this, but it’s FAR from weak. Feel like that’s semantics, though.

@Offensive-scilla

Where is the ret love

I think it’s interesting, because I feel like boomy and ret are both in a similar spot, they just had the reverse treatment going into TWW. Boomy got more damage and lost survivability whereas ret got a buff to survivability and lost damage XD