We are all tourists until we decide we want to stay. Even the most hardcore of us here may decide there is something they don’t like about classic and may leave or move onto something else. It isn’t a big deal.
If I find myself not enjoying the game, or it isn’t as fun as I remember it to be, or if I find it is consuming too much of my life (like vanilla did and almost ruined my life!) I’ll go back to casually playing ARAM in LoL for fun.
Maybe it would be better to remember that everyone is different and that labeling people and making generalized statements about a group of labeled people is a big part of what causes a lot of the major problems in society.
Tourist, retailer, purist, elitist (and those are just polite ones unlike the really derogatory ones) - all labels that can be used to shove people into a category so a person can feel better about himself because he’s not like “them”.
Treat every poster and every player in the game like an individual person and don’t just say "it’s okay to treat them different because of ‘label’ ". It’s not okay on the forums or in game or out in the real world.
The US is a corporate oligarchy, similar to fascism but the corporations are the ones on top instead of the state. Under both the state and corporations are essentially one, they work together and are intertwined, the only difference is which of the two holds the power over the other, which in the case of the US (and much of the West) is corporations. That’s why you will hear people refer to it as “corporate fascism” sometimes.
And because I know I will get that one comment, no fascism is not communism. In communism there are no corporations, no middle-men, the state owns everything directly.
EDIT: Maybe I worded it wrong, the US has become a corporate oligarchy due to lobbying (which I like to call legal bribery)
Just remember that what other people think of you is none of your business. If some sad little neck beard, who is still living in his mother’s basement, wants to call me a tourist that really has nothing to do with me.
But taken too far and this line of thinking can lead to people not being able to express themselves at all about other people, and that’s no fun for anyone. Other groups of people ARE different, and it’s only natural to label them as such when talking about them, and people should be able to do so without people getting their panties all bunched up in a wad. There will never be a world where various groups do not get labeled.
And as someone said, the “tourist” label was something Blizzard said themselves. It’s a useful categorization for them, and they’ve had to spend resources to come up with technology to address the anticipated existence of that category of people upon launch.
The problem isn’t with the label itself, the problem is when the label becomes a word said with scorn by people who believe that they are somehow better or more deserving compared to the group they have labeled. When labels are used to either deprive others or to elevate oneself above those labeled then they become a problem.
not disagreeing with you exactly, but using a term as a descriptor for a general mindset doesn’t by default make it a negative term, it does depend on how it’s being used, I would argue that the developers introduced the term not to be a derogatory term to put down a group but as a neutral term that describes the general mindset of a particular set of players. To assume that everyone who is going to play wow classic is going in with the mindset of being a nolifer who’s world revolves around the game would be silly, some people really do JUST want to try it out and see what it’s like, like what tourists do in real life, they wanna go to the cool things and hang out for a bit before doing something else. there isn’t anything wrong with that, I have not heard anyone(outside of rando’s on the forums) actually try and blame anything on these “tourists”.
it’s just seems realistic to assume not everyone is going to obsess over classic.
It’s all about context. If it sounds like an insult, it probably is one.
And sorry, the context in which the word “tourist” is used - at least on the forums - isn’t exactly neutral.
I’d say it’s okay to talk about “tourists” in general, but I wouldn’t tell someone “you’re a tourist” or even “you are just a tourist”.
That said, I have a bucket list of things I want to do in Classic and I’ll work on it when I have time to do it. I will be a tourist.
yes but the developers themselves use this as a descriptor of a particular subsection of the population they’re referring to. many of the instances I see people getting triggered by this is when you suggest that tourists will want to be on a server with a shorter queue, so those who are there in their own minds just to try it out and have fun would naturally be more inclined to pick these servers and the ONLY thing that get out of that entire thing is that “someone is being referred to as a tourist” and they get upset at it, even though it’s not being used to single someone out or put someone down, it simply says people will choose based on what they personally value out of the experience.
I don’t understand this. Could you please point me to the thread?
Tourists don’t know they’re tourists.
People think the whole tourism thing is new, but it’s not. Every time Blizzard opened a new server, there were tons of people that joined for a new start, but only a small percentage of those players stuck around. After the initial rush, most of the players left and returned to their old characters or rolled on a new lineup of new servers.
Layering is combating this by providing fewer servers that can hold more players sorted out by population. Once the newness fades, those servers should remain decently populated to keep a community.
Layering is fixing a problem Blizzard has known about for quite some time, but never had to deal with because they don’t open new servers anymore.
The only thing people focused on was the phrase “tourists will funnel themselves” despite it just describing that people who don’t want to spent a ton of time on the game, there is nothing negative about that, you don’t have to be a nolifer to enjoy the game.
While I can understand where this is coming from, I don’t believe those “new server” launches are the same as classic launch, just like classic launch wont be just like vanilla launch. because now to “go back” to your toons after classic comes out would mean returning to BFA, which is NOT the same as a switching between a new server and your old server that has the same or similar content, it’s a very different game.
We live in a society where people go around actively looking for something to display outrage over. A tourist, as you said, doesn’t have a long-term investment. They come in, they look around, and leave. Some tourists come in, look around, leave, go back where they were before, and return to take up residence, at which time “tourist” is no longer a descriptor for them.
Tourist, casual, hard-core … labels. And as we know, labels come off as easily as they go on, given the right set of circumstances.
If they’re in California, they’ll have to pass a background check to get those “bullets.” ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
But those who are going to play Classic longer term and commit to it ARE more deserving of having their voice heard and considered when discussing the game than those who don’t care much about it and are just going to pop in a dabble a bit before ditching it.
It’s the same thing with actual tourists. They don’t get to vote in the countries they are visiting for a holiday weekend.
“Tourists would funnel themselves to the layered ones, is there really a down side to this?” (quote from the original post of that thread)
In the case of that thread, I am not a fan of the idea that separating the “tourists” from the “non-tourists” is a good thing. The best way to turn “tourists” into “residents” is to show them why Classic is a better experience compared to the current game.
Of course in reality, you really can’t know for sure what servers “tourists” would choose if they were given the option. People choose servers for a lot of different reasons and “tourists” would be no different. While there will be some people who check out Classic with no intention of staying around, there will also be people who fully intend to stay and then change their minds. Having a good mix of people is more likely to turn prospective “tourists” into “residents” and to keep more of the people who might be on the fence around long enough that they stay as well.
While actual tourists can’t vote in the country they are visiting, they can have a huge influence on policies in that country. Some countries’ entire economies revolve around tourists and decisions are made based on keeping those tourists coming back for return visits. So, while they don’t have an official “vote”, they do have a lot of say about conditions and policies.
honestly i am extremely triggered over the concept of people being triggered over this concept of “tourists”. i mean, WTF people. i read this whole thread and still have no idea what this argument is about except maybe competitive mental illness?
Yep, and that’s what led to vanilla WoW evolving into BFA, and thus the push by many people to bring back vanilla WoW, which is the reason the Classic forum exists and we are able to have this conversation on it. And it’s the reason the #nochangers are so adamant about Blizzard not catering to the “tourists” this time around, lest we see a repeat of history.
What are you even talking about? People who played xpac after xpac weren’t tourists and those were who Blizz was trying to retain with their changes.
The real WoW tourists were the ones who liked a specific time period and then bailed when the game evolved. So the Blizz team took some tax money (sub profit) from the people who lived in Retailville and built an amusement park (Classic) to attract those tourists back to their town and make some tourist revenue to help support the town so it could grow. And in return for using their tax money they gave the residents a free ticket to go to the new park.
So in reality Blizz is catering to the tourists simply by creating Classic.