First, please do take this serious. It’s not some troll post or something. It’s just something close to the heart with my favourite class and spec.
If you like playing Druid, just read it. There won’t be a TL;DR because the points I am trying to make are a bit more complicated and I am unsure as to how I could simplify it.
I might be “high iq” but I am a dummy with communications…
Cat’s have to be in cat form to damage.
Bears have to be in bear form to tank.
Moonkin have to be in Moonkin form to do damage.
Healers can just…heal…
Why? Bring back the Treant form as an actual form. Hear me out first.
Keep the Tree of Life form just the way it is.
Just like you can get that Feral Incarnation and the same for Boomkin…Why not make the Treant form the base healer form with the option to get Incarnation, instead of just kind of throwing it out there as a fun talent to maybe get, make it a potential bonus for people who want to make more out of their form.
AGain, Cats get a mandatory cat form, and can choose to get Incarnation.
Bears get a mandatory bear form, and can choose to get Incarnation.
Moonkin gets a mandatory caster form (glyph of stars is also another form where you just become more in tune with astral magic so its still a form) and they also get to choose an Incarnation form.
Resto druids get a purly cosmetic Treant form, with an entirely optional (though very powerful) Incarnation ability.
Common arguments that I have heard over the past decade:
It was annoying to have a mandatory healer form, I just want to cast…
-Counter point? Literally every other spell requires a form too. You can’t cast a cat spell without shapeshifting into cat form. A null argument bereft of all logic.
resto druids were not hex or polymorphable .
-Counter point? Then make the tree form susceptible to that. Every form comes with strength’s and weaknesses. Cat’s can only heal with a special talent and only on proc. Bears…well bears are unkillable machines of destruction and death. Moonkin also can’t heal without leaving their form…
AGain, every form has strengths and weaknesses.
So the tradeoff would be slightly stronger healing and such like before they removed it, but you can still be polymorphed or hexed.
But muh transmog.
-0LOLOLOL I have no pity here. You read the description for what a Druid is, and thought you were going to see your armor? AHGHGHGAHAAAAA insert JJJ Daily Bugle meme
It sounds mean, but come on. Be realistic about that for a moment. Its like saying “I picked a warlock because I wanted to never summon demons”. And while yes, there is a talent for that…that’s kind of the point. Choice. Players having a choice, while still fitting to the theme of a Druid.
Make the form mandatory, and instead of giving us a Glyph of The Treant, give healers their own Glyph of The Stars so they can see their armor.
WOW, PROBLEM ALL SOLVED.
AFter that, I can’t really recall any other arguments about the Treant form.
What say you, because there is no TL;DR.
If you like playing Druid, just read it.
Maybe most Druid players find playing as something as benign as a tree to be waaayyyyy less cool than a cat, bear or owlbeast, each with all sorts of awesome appearance options.
productive.
Care to explain why? Because your response leaves me to think you didn’t read the post, but instead the basic premise.
So you don’t agree that players should have choices?
That’s what I am asking/advocating for. Choices. Return the Treant form to being mandatory so druids can at least be somewhat consistent, and then make it a glyph to change the appearance.
Choices.
did you read the post? OR are you just rage-posting? It sounds like rage-posting because it’s a little childish sounding. Do you have any reason as to why it was so bad?
Did you see the part where I even suggested we give it a Glyph, like the Glyph of Stars for Boomkin who don’t like the ugly boomkin form…
Its the same thing, but for some reason you see it two different ways.
Why is it okay for one spec to not need a form, but all three of the others do?
No matter how you look at it, its not logical.
And again, the primary reason was that we were unable to be polymorphed/hexed. Not because it was ugly.
I don’t want to use some ugly glyph when they could just leave the stupid tree form dead where it belongs. I don’t play balance either because I don’t like boomkin or that ugly glyph.
Do you have any idea how hard we had to work, waaaayyyy back in the day, just to get the treant glyph? Don’t give Blizz any incentive to start messing with things more. God only knows how much they would screw it up.
Yeah, and I was there saying to keep the form because most of the problem could have been fixed by allowing them to be polymorphed.
Add a glyph to change the appearance just like boomkin. Hell, make a few to give people the choice to just look completely normal. I know they can do it.
Just throw it in there with all the other big druid changes coming. Have you seen the incoming druid stuff? It looks wonderful.
So whats the harm of throwing this minor change in there? Boomkin is getting four new forms, cats are getting four new forms, bears…everybody BUT the healers are getting something cool. I mean the transmog that basically looks just like the set we have on rn…but still a cool looking set. You shapeshift into your treeform. BAM, YOUR GLYPH IS ACTIVE AND YOU STILL LOOK NORMAL. Or maybe you look like the solar version of the Glyph of Stars? How cool would that be?
And anybody who says the forms are ugly and you don’t like them…then why play druid? That’s half the fantasy of the class…AGain, like playing a warlock who never summons a demon even once…
So does anybody have any thing to actually ADD? Or are we just upset over the appearance? I’m not hearing any reason to not make all forms mandatory, just like the other three specs. Add glyphs. BAm, all problems solved.
Whats not to like?
Heck, even add in the Saberon appearance. Bears get their giant Great-Ape Bear form, so why not let the cats have their Saberon form? Not the effects persay because that was busted…but the appearance. Again, just like the giant bear one…
All I am asking for is balance.
AKA the druid theme…
You have choices today. You can glyph that treant and heal content as it. Just take off all your DPS spells if they don’t already deactivate the form so you can keep your immersion. Oh be sure to take off any non HOT too since back in the day, you couldn’t use healing touch in that form…just HOTs and roots as I recall.
How in the flip do you think making something mandatory equates to leading to more choice?
I can’t mind my own business and want to force resto druids to use a shapeshifting form to cast their heals. It’s illogical that they can cast leafy heals without being a tree, but completely logical that a tree can run around and cast spells.
If YOU want a tree form, use it. Don’t make other people’s experience worse or clunkier because of “muh immersion.”
And that wasn’t what it ended up being, now was it?
They gave the glyph so that those of us who played druid characters could glyph into the original tree form and gg. Other people who wanted the new form could use that, or they could just show off their tmog.
The only arguments I remember seeing, right towards the end when Blizz finally caved, were a few nimrods who kept howling and crying about, “but you won’t get any stats from it!”. No duh. We only wanted the og tree form back.
Because they’ve always been able to throughout all of lore. Druid casters don’t have to be in Moonkin form to damage. Nor do they have to be in a form to heal.
Moonkin aura (which you can get with Glyph of Stars, which also sucks because it’s an ugly blue) is a buff to damage, but nowhere in lore did Malfurion or others have to turn into a Moonkin to do damage. Same with healing.
In other words: “I know nothing about druids, I just want to gimp others because I don’t understand their lore.”
okay, then give me glyphs to make me be able to Thrash in humanoid form. I am tired of looking at bear booty all the time.
To which you would likely reply “if you don’t like the form, then why play bear”
Which is what I said earlier. If you don’t like mandatory forms, then you picked teh wrong class.
IF you don’t like the tree form, glyph the appearance.
If you dont like forms, don’t play druid.
so then why do bears HAVE to be in their form?
The treant was supposed to be a way to “get closer to nature” and all that, to increase your healing potential.
Just like shifting into bear form makes you more durable…
Forms = Druid.
The things i suggested fix all the problems you guys are posing, while also giving some semblance of logic to the druid class…even in a small way.
I’m not posing any problem. Are you trying now to shift the argument that druid forms are overly restrictive under the guise that punishing healers and forcing them back to a mandatory bland form too is somehow more because it is “equal”?
You’re full of nonsense and I think you know it. You don’t get “more choice” by exclusively removing a choice. Your only “choice” then is do it or not which was already your choice to begin with (in addition to "do I do it as a treant or as a humanoid).
I’m agreeing, but we need a way cooler tree form. If we are comparing the forms, then every other form is better than the goofy tree. Should be either an ancient, less decorated than tree of life, or a less Drust looking wicker tree.
yet you want to force bear form on me. I want to Thrash and Maul people with my weapon.
Why not?
Why do I have to be a bear to spin and create a thrash or swipe?
Why be a bear when I can just wear better armor.
Why be a bear when I could just be a warrior…
Your logic makes no sense.
It’s not clunky. If tree is clunky, then druid is clunky because the other three specs have the exact same thing.
yet they do…strange.
no, you picked Dracthyr. Do you complain about not being able to see your transmog?
No, because you have options. BUT WAIT, you can’t cast outside of your draconic form…
Almost like your form is your class. Don’t talk to me about lore. IF we were lore accurate, paladins would be basically unstoppable because they have a god-like entity literally backing their every move as long as it follows a set of tenets…
Or Death Knights who are, canonically, virtually immortal and indestructible…but we get Arthas’ baby dks who need their hand held.
Don’t talk about the lore when we are talking about mechanics.
Explain how giving them a form that increases their healing by like 5% or something…
Explain how giving them a buff, is gimping them. By that logic, cat form and boomkin form are also gimping people…
Illogical, yet again. Try and go into literally any group content without boomkin form on.
Watch how fast you get kicked and /ignored by the entire group.
True, but we already established that we are not lore accurate. At all.
Thanks. I get a glyph that makes me look like a tree, but does actually absolutely nothing.
Or, give us a form back…
I do to. And every time I use it, I feel a little bit more like a clown. Just slowly painting my face to pretend that I have a cool form like the other specs…
Placating people by giving them a veneer is not the way to go.
WE want substance AND form, NOT JUST FORM.
Not a lot to ask.
AGain, note all the crazy upcoming druid form changes…
literally every spec gets four new forms. Resto gets forced into changing their entire talent sheet up just to pick one talent, because if we don’t we literally can’t use the 2 or 4 piece bonus.
But yeah, thats a choice huh? Pick this talent or your set bonuses literally don’t work. Everybody else gets a set that works with skills that their spec just gets for free, meanwhile druids are being forced into taking their newly changed Grove Guardians.
They are strongarming people into picking that talent just so they can show people “hey, look at us we can make cool things”…not realising that if they just made the talent more interesting in the first place, more people would pick it over other options.
I mean, that’s actually what they did. They are just also making the whole set bonus revolve around just that one talent choice. A talent that most of the druids I have ever seen and known, they refuse to get it. It’s just not practical as a cooldown. And Nourish isn’t useful because Abundance does the same thing for Regrowth BUT BETTER…but thats another topic
Druid = Forms.
AGain, if you don’t like the appearance, glyph it out.
But why should I have to get a glyph that’s just there to placate? IT doesn’t enhance me like the other forms do.
I am just tree.
So again, I have not seen any reasons against actually doing it other than you don’t like it.
Solutions to all your problems were put up in my first post.
MAke the form mandatory, just like cat form.
For those who don’t like the appearance, there can be a glyph. obviously.
Make the tree form able to be polymorphed and hexed to create the balance people asked for in the first place.
ANd now druid forms are balanced and fair and logical.
nope. thats the argument people are making against me though, for sure. I love the forms.
They seem to hate the forms.
I want druids to get their Treant form back because yeah, having a form that enhances your skills just like the other three specs…its pretty nice and logical and practical.
Then why did I never get a choice in having that form taken away? You say it was clunky, but then so are all the other forms. So why not? The tree form we have now is clunky because it still requires an extra spell cast and gcd but for absolutely nothing.
Not the Incarnation. Nothing wrong with incarnation.
Your whole point is moot, Galabris.
If tree form is clunky, then all forms are clunky. And they are. I agree with you on that.
If tree form is bland, then make it cooler looking…
If the other specs get TWO cool forms, why not Restoration?
IF you don’t like caster forms, then you don’t like Druid. Again, back to the demon-less Warlock…why would you roll warlock if you don’t want to summon demons?
Why would you pick a Druid who arefamous, in literally every story involving druids, for their ability to shape shift…and then get mad that you had to shapeshift?
You going to play a Dracthyr and get mad that you have to use your caster form?
Sure, some do but you all laugh at those people just like I do because you recognise their logic as flawed.
Yet here you are using their logic.
If you didn’t want to shape-shift, maybe don’t play the class literally descsribed as a shap-shifter…
If you don’t like Tacos, don’t go to Taco Bell.
If you don’t like reading, never go to the library.
If you don’t like shape-shifting, then don’t play Druid.
I liked the whole idea that I had to shapeshift to access some of my skills or to enhance them. It’s one of the core parts of the druid rp. Heck, even if you aren’t that deep into rp, and you just like druid because nature magic…then you would still have to accept some shape-shifting.
A mage without a fireball.
A warlock with no demon.
A warrior without at least two giant weapons equipped…
A shaman without totems.
You are asking for a key part of a classes roleplaying be completely removed, then added back in in a very superficial way.
Imagine the outrage Shaman would have if they never had to put out totems.
Imagine if suddenly rogues had to follow real life stealth interactions…
IMagine if they just took all the roleplaying out of your class by systematically killing each and every animal spirit who taught you your forms. No more quests to learn them, or to meet the spirits or really any actual roleplaying.
EVer notice that? No more cool quests as a warrior to go to a not-fight-club and learn how to use Cleave. No more fun journeys across the wilds, stalking prey, now hunters just have every pet in the game available. That actually sounds cool, but I know the hunters would forbid it.
Just like Druids should have all spoken up and forbid the removal of a key element in role-playing in a role-playing game.
No matter how you word it, having shapeshifting be a key element of druid casting is just in the spirit of the game.
To have anything less is just…shallow.
I might not be good as a feral or boomkin, but I still use the forms when I go into them. I think it’s clunky that I have to click to cast the form, wait, then click a skill to use it…it should just be “I cast a clearly feral ability, I am now seamlessly a cat”
But its not like that, its clunky. I don’t see you guys throwing that under the bus.
Same problem, but somehow your logic only applies when you want it.
Exactly my point. Make the tree more interesting. All Blizzard did, is just give up. THey didn’t even actually try a solution, which would have been to just make treeform polymorphable in pvp and add in a resto version of Glyph of Stars. Bam! Done!
But apparently that was more complicated than just adding like 6% healing across the board to compensate for the loss of Treant form.
I think that’s a critical point you are all missing. It actually gave you a buff, just like all the other forms. Most people only used the form when they needed focused or big heals going out, or just liked using it. It was the ONLY form that was mostly optional. So you could see your armor all the time, then people taking a bit of extra damage? Treant.
People taking a bunch of damage?BOOM, INCARNATION: TREE OF LIFE, BABYYYYY!
