I cannot believe its gotten to a point in this game where people are logging a level 25 raid where the entire purpose is fun and a sense of discovery.
Parsing is the worst thing to ever happen to this game and i have never and will never, out of principle, look at a single parse of mine in any version of wow.
Now i see that its infesting season of discovery? Not on my watch. Every time i put together a bfd raid i will make it a point that if anyone brings up logs or asks if we are logging, they are forfeiting loot.
Join another group if a spreadsheet percentile number means that much to you.
Min/max parses encourage whale culture, which is what ActiBlizz wants. That will help bring in the gold sellers and bots, which they also want.
They could literally change a couple lines of code to disable combat logging from being exportable, which would prevent warcraftlogs from being a thing. They won’t though. Just look at the streamers they promote, the most degenerate players in the community who push for min/max logging(and GDKPs to sell gold in)
While I agree with you OP, I feel the fault is primarily on the devs not the players. I fought the last 2 bosses of BFD yesterday and they are tough. The difficulty of those bosses discourage raid leaders from bringing non-optimal specs or inexperienced players. I think the answer is to provide an alternate route to gearing that doesn’t require difficult raids. PVP and professions would be perfect for this.
Raiding is obsolete. It’s just not feasible to make a group that big consistently and not only that to also make all this people do ton of mechanics perfectly.
The moment your progress is hampered by what other players do it’s bad design.
I wish raiding disappeared altogether or at least they didn’t have better gear than dungeons.
Any time you have to interact with another player to get something done in an mmo its a bad design? Thats a very narcissistic take. Maybe learn how to make friends and talk to people? No? You cant possibly fathom doing something nice for someone else without expectation of return so nobody wants to interact with you? Well have fun pugging everything.
The fault of what, precisely? Allowing people agency to form their own groups, and create or join like-minded people to experience the content how they want to?
I’d say that while sure, it’s the responsibility of the devs to provide a game world, some tools, etc. agency to choose is also big!
From what I’ve seen, the range of people who have jumped into SoD is huge! You have long-term WoW veterans who are coming from backgrounds as entrenched in WoW as 10+ years of Private Server gaming, AND 4+ years of Classic WoW experience as a guild. This is pretty much expert level players. And on the other end, you have people who were in their 20s, 30s, and 40s when they played Vanilla that heard about SoD and decided to come and check it out…
The expectation is very different! You could imagine this same type of level of interest/dedication on sports teams for example. They would have very different expectations.
Trying to say that a professional sports team (or a team that trained and played that much, while also measuring data and striving to improve performance) is toxic because they aren’t a beer league, I think misses the point that there is room for various playstyles in WoW, and not every group is going to conform to every individual’s idea of fun or what they want from the game.
Anyway, it would be great if we could all get along and respect each other’s preferences for playstyles. After all, (at least I think) most of us really enjoy playing this game!
Guy who says the point of the game is to have fun an discover things wants to limit what other people think is fun.
You don’t have to care about parsing, but you’re the literal thought police telling people how they should have fun, and then taking away their pixels if they don’t have fun they way you tell them to.
The problem is that all BiS comes from difficult raids that encourage elitism. I don’t fault raiders for wanting well geared experienced players in their group. I worry though that if this type of raiding is the only way to gear competitively then it will make the game unappealing for casuals. Casuals need some more gearing paths.
False. Gdkps bring in the whale culture. Most min maxers i know dont need to buy gold because we play the game so much we passively make tons of gold on our own.
I’m not quite sure I understand what you mean about BiS, elitism and gearing competitively, but it sort of sounds like you’re saying that rewards are easier to obtain for people who have better optimized characters, gear, and raid composition that for casuals (whatever casual means).
Feel free to correct me where I may have misunderstood.
