Toxic community and griefing

[Vexv-moon-guard]

Same, if you need a group feel free to hit me up as well.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Another toxic forum clown put on ignore.
BTW: Your name for your priest is not as clever as you think it sounds in your head.

Improving my WoW forum experience one less troll at a time.

[Tomtefar-mannoroth]

@Radalpho-proudmoore

It could be programmatically done using metrics but MicroActaBlizz either does not have the skill or the desire to fix

What metrics would it be, and how would it for example differentiate a troll from a bad player, or an unintentional disconnect from an intentional disconnect/logout?

[Jherril-barthilas]

dont hold the group up, levelling dungeons should be facerolls over in a few minutes

[Jherril-barthilas]

@Soktarash-atiesh

normal game play

dude your geriatric style hasnt been normal in decades

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

You can’t differentiate between good or bad, but the use of metrics is what you can use.
How often someone initiates a vote
How often someone leaves a group
How often someone votes yes or no to a vote
How often someone “DC’s”
etc.

These are all indicators on how people think…they can then turn into useful ways to setup the vote kick feature.

Example: (Just making up numbers for this example): They could do some analysis and maybe determine that at the 5 initiate votes a week, there is now a cool down.
So when I try to initiate another vote it says there is a cool down. This could also be extended so that if you form as a “trio” the cooldown is applied to everyone in the party who queued together…preventing others from working around the cooldown to vote kick.

Well, you see where I’m going with this or get the idea, I think.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

And another toxic put on ignore forever.

Improving my wow forum experience one less troll at a time.

[Kago-drenden]

You could give people the option to kick because of grief or because of playstyle difference with the latter not giving a deserter debuff.

While I am on the side of the majority being able to set the pace in trivial content, I don’t think the OP should have gotten a deserter debuff for it and unless they were particularly nasty about demanding to set the pace, I doubt the group would give him the deserter debuff if they had the choice…they probably just wanted to go faster.

[Vexv-moon-guard]

Honestly same, it really has changed alot.

[Jherril-barthilas]

Oh no what will i do.

[Tomtefar-mannoroth]

@Radalpho-proudmoore

Example: (Just making up numbers for this example): They could do some analysis and maybe determine that at the 5 initiate votes a week, there is now a cool down.

This would:

1. Not change anything about players receiving a deserter debuff.
2. Most likely not stop people from kicking for what we can call minor issues. Most people are shortsighted and are willing to spend their kicks when they’re frustrated rather than saving it for if they run into someone they desperately.
3. It’ll prevent people from kicking truly despicable people if they run out of kick initiations.

@Radalpho-proudmoore

Well, you see where I’m going with this or get the idea, I think.

I’m sure you had another vision in mind with this suggestion, but given that these are reasonable consequences I fail to see how it will make things better.

[Fathergrabby-illidan]

Aww and here i thought we were best friends

[Shadybolt-thrall]

@Soktarash-atiesh

in the first 30 seconds. only to get voted out and hit with a 30 min deserter buff.

There’s a minimum time limit before you can call for a vote to kick someone from the group in a dungeon, and it is way longer than 30 seconds.

Trolls should at least try to be believable.

[Tomtefar-mannoroth]

@Kago-drenden

You could give people the option to kick because of grief or because of playstyle difference with the latter not giving a deserter debuff.

This sounds more reasonable to me, even if it’s easily abused. Players may still use the “grief” category because they think the player is bad and want to stick it to them, rather than using the appropiate category that doesn’t incur any penalty.

I’m sure it’ll be less kicks resulting in a deserter debuff because the player is bad, which is great, but I don’t think it’s going to be significantly less so it wouldn’t make a noticeable difference.

It’s better than the system currently have, but just with a minimal margin.

[Oneonex-area-52]

@Kailhots-illidan

DPS can st*u and sit behind the tank and not be pushing aholes in a tw, heroic, or normal. I swear to thrall DPS are entitled zoomers.

That’s a problem with no solution, dps are gonna zoom whether you like it or not

And to be fair most tanks and healers wanna zoom too

Adapt or be a burden, there’s not really another way unless Blizzard changes the gameplay

[Mirasol-mannoroth (Mirasol)]

@Soktarash-atiesh

still allows such griefing

“Griefing” seems to be “anything I don’t like”.

What you are complaining about is a system that was designed and intentionally implemented by Blizzard to work the way it is currently working. Largely it works the way it does because of people abusing the dungeon system and other players to get kicked (without penalty) back when it worked that way. Players asked for it to work this way.

Using the kick system to remove a group member who the majority don’t want to play with is not against the rules. That system is intentionally in game to be USED. Nobody needs a reason to kick you. It is majority rules.

@Liverklng-grobbulus

It is when they punish you with a 30 mins timer for it.

The same deserter/kick timer that has been in the game since original Wrath. People acting surprised about it never fails though.

The cooldown on the kick timer certainly could use an update - to match the intent which was that the person removed/who deserted, sits out one average dungeon run time frame. I do agree on that.

@Haterate-doomhammer

No, its not griefing. They decided they didnt want to play with you. Its not a big deal.

Exactly. Blizzard is not going to force people to play with someone they don’t want in their group. Period. They are not going to stand in judgement of WHY someone does not want to play with someone else. They give players the tools to handle their own groups and remove the person they don’t want.

What people can’t do is use profanity and abusive language towards you when they do it. If someone does that, by all means report it.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Of course you fail to see it. It was only a quick example. I’m not surprised (tbh) that you fail to see it and that it won’t work or make things better in your opinion… I didn’t supply you with the entire framework, you are some how thinking that was my entire solution and my instinct tells me you like things just they way they are.

Not even sure why I thought it would be worth my time responding.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Not going to work to be honest.

[Guthild-moonrunner]

Wait… what???

This is very much like victim shaming.

“The group kicked you, you must have done something wrong.”.

Seriously? So, if you pop into a dungeon with me and I initiate a kick on you, just because you have “lemon” in your name, and it passes… you’re going to be ok with that? Even though you haven’t done anything wrong. We hadn’t even started to engage the mobs… just kick you because of your name.

I bring this up because I know stuff like that happens. Reason being, I usually pug with my husband and the last time I was kicked it was because “no shoes”.

People get kicked for the dumbest reasons all the time, but no… let’s just blame the person who was kicked and not looking at any of the reasons.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

I have never experienced it personally (being kicked for stupid things) just reading some of the nonsense and garbage in these forum threads tells me it happens.